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classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-discussions-home bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-hl-hover bx-def-box-sizing > a hrefdiscussions-home > div classbx-menu-floating-blocks-icon> i classsys-icon far comments col-blue2>/i> /div> div classbx-menu-floating-blocks-title>Discussion/div> /a> /li>/ul>script languagejavascript> $(document).ready(function () { // add default class to active menu items $(.bx-menu-floating-blocks > li.bx-menu-tab-active).not(.bx-def-color-bg-active).addClass(bx-def-color-bg-active); });/script>/div>/div>/div>!-- Design Box 13 end -->/div>div classbx-page-block-container idbx-page-block-120>!-- Design Box 13 start: Content + background + padding -->div classbx-db-container bx-dbc-notitle bx-def-image-bg-block bx-def-color-bg-block bx-def-border-block bx-shadow-block> div classbx-db-content bx-content-padding-block bx-clearfix>p styletext-align: center;>em>For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. /em>em>Romans 11/em>/p>/div>/div>!-- Design Box 13 end -->/div>div classbx-page-block-container idbx-page-block-4291>!-- Design Box 0 start: Content only -->div classbx-db-container bx-dbc-notitle bx-dbc-nopadding bx-dbc-nobg> div classbx-db-content relative>div idbx-timeline-main-outline-public classbx-tl-view bx-tl-view-outline bx-def-bc-margin> div classbx-tl-cnt> div classbx-tl-back-holder>/div> div classbx-tl-empty-holder>div classbx-tl-empty styledisplay:none;>div classbx-msg-box-container my-4 px-4 text-center id1726146098759> div classbx-msg-box inline-block mx-auto p-4 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-600 text-gray-600 dark:text-gray-300 uppercase rounded-md>Empty/div> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-items-wrapper> div classbx-tl-items bx-def-margin-sec-leftright-neg>div classbx-tl-grid-sizer>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1414 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1414>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/dan-beaty onclick titleDan Beaty> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>D/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/dan-beaty classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDan Beaty>div classtruncate>Dan Beaty/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/david-i-echo-your-cry-for-simplicity-i>time datetime2024-09-08T22:32:48+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-09-08T22:32:48+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/2by43s?sysbx_posts&cmt_id164>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-post/fluidity-do-you-see-it>Fluidity - do you see it?/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>David, I echo your cry for simplicity. I am so thankful that we have the New Testament to prove how powerful the community of believers can be as they walk in simple obedience and faith in our Lord Jesus./p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-615>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts615 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts615 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:615,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts615,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-615,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-615,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-615},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1414>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>483/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1414 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1414 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1414,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1414,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1414,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1414,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1414}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1414}, {content_id:1414, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1413 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_posts added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1413>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/fluidity-do-you-see-it>time datetime2024-09-08T19:38:28+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-09-08T19:38:28+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Post /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-post/fluidity-do-you-see-it classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleFluidity - do you see it?>Fluidity - do you see it?/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Why is there no precise list of church officers in the New Testament which is elsewhere repeated in the New Testament?/p>p>In Titus, there is a long list of requirements for elders. In Timothy, there are long lists of requirements together for elders em>and/em> for deacons./p>p>In Philippians, there are overseers and servants mentioned together. Bishops and deacons, theyre called. But the word for deacon is the same word for servant - a name referring to any service. So, Paul could be addressing the elder/overseers and everyone else besides them./p>p>Here are three comprehensive leadership lists. Though similar, they are not the same./p>blockquote>So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness. Romans 12:5-8 /blockquote>blockquote>Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 1 Cor. 12:4-10 /blockquote>blockquote>One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, em>for the work of the ministry/em>, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Ephesians 4./blockquote>p>The lost key, I believe, to divine and biblical church leadership is fluidity - fluidity of servant actions rather than the filling of church positions./p>p>True enough, there are requirements made of elder men, of elder women, younger men, and of servants in particular and in general. Yet we cannot deduce that there is an office of elder women or an office of younger men or an office of servants or an office of tongue-speakers./p>p>Be very suspicious of Bible versions which add the word em>office/em> about a half dozen times, by the way./p>p>Imagine with me... Oh, what a beautiful thing to behold. Each empowered Christian using his/her gifts and resources for the others without regard to status or to office or to being paid./p>p>We prefer everything to fit into a neat little package but that is not case with regard to church structure. We should be thinking in broader terms, it so appears. And praying for more gifts which will edify others./p>p>Take for example, the table servers in Acts 7. Deacons, they have come to be called. More than one of these deacons also preached and baptized. One became the first martyr. Yet, in the minds of most, the deacons main task is a lesser one when compared to the pastors or to preachers. But remember, Jesus stated that if you would be great in his Kingdom, you must be a servant (deacon) of others./p>p>Notice that Judas, the apostle, in the first chapter of Acts, is referred to - not only as an apostle but as having a ministry (diakonios). Yet, he is not remembered in modern times as a minister nor a deacon./p>p>Over the years, we have focused on the role of the elders (older ones) as the natural shepherds or pastors - not requiring an election nor an ordination service nor a seminary degree nor a salary. This however would not rule out the possibility or even likelihood ofem> young/em> overseers. After all, the younger ones would eventually become the older ones (elders) who are charged with caring for the flock of God. That is, unless they are recent converts to the faith./p>p>Pause and ponder today: If Paul put young Timothy into an administrative position over certain geographic regions, his useful, youthful agent would have surely been qualified to oversee things in a single house church as a pastor./p>p>Do you see the fluidity? Think of gifts and responsibilities - not positions which are waiting to be fulfilled. Do you remember the text above which referred to pastor/teachers? Here is it assumed that the pastors would also be teachers. As they should be. Elsewhere we read of teachers without any regard to a pastoral role./p>p>And with fluidity, dont overlook the element of liberty in the early church leadership framework. A sudden need arose for widows needing daily food. So, these workers were immediately brought into the picture. Problem solved./p>p>So in short summary, if you can (ability) serve others - you should (permission) serve others! Are not the needs greater than ever?/p>p>We seriously need to simplify things. Because they have become needlessly complicated and expensive. The vast portion of church funds today goes towards leadership and other cumbersome machinery deemed indispensable. /p>p>Do we really believe that the early Christians, often meeting in homes, were paying out professional salaries?/p>p>Please show me a church which is feeding needy people everyday. Yes, thankfully there are a few - but they are rare gems indeed./p>p>Again I enquire: Why in the entire New Testament, is there no list of church leaders which perfectly corresponds to another list of the same?/p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-bx-posts-115>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteBxPosts115 undefined) var oVoteBxPosts115 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:bx_posts,iObjId:115,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteBxPosts115,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-bx-posts-115,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-bx-posts-115,main:bx-vote-likes-bx-posts-115},sSocket:bx_posts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-posts-115>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>521/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxPosts115 undefined) var oViewBxPosts115 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxPosts115,sSystem:bx_posts,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:115,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-posts-115,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-posts-115,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-posts-115}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1413}, {content_id:1413, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1409 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1409>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten onclick titleTodd Buiten> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>T/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleTodd Buiten>div classtruncate>Todd Buiten/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/david-your-thoughts-aligned-with-mine>time datetime2024-08-30T21:48:55+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-08-30T21:48:55+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1jbptse?sysbx_forum&cmt_id297>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/life-span-of-a-house-church>Life span of a house church/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>David, your thoughts aligned with mine when I read Dans post. (Ive been meaning to reply ever since he posted but struggled to complete my thoughts.) We were once part of a ministry that eventually fell apart because the reason to form it was no longer important to those of us who put in the effort to get it going. It was a valuable lesson that has really impacted my view of the church./p>p>I really hate what our culture has done to the church. You said, many saints got badly hurt and even battered in the institutional churches. I agree. Yet when I look back to my own experiences then I have no one to blame other than myself for any anger and hurt that I felt at that time. My true motivation was not maturity in Christ and ministry to others as you so aptly put. Those things that drew me to be a part of the church at that time were not eternal things that last. Instead, they were cultural. It reminds me a lot of Jesus following the feeding of the 5,000 as found in John 6:22-71. As you read this, please note that Jesus questions the crowds motives, tells them exactly who it is that stands before them, then watches many of his followers turn away.../p>blockquote>strong>I Am the Bread of Life/strong>/blockquote>blockquote>22 On the next day the crowd that remained on the other side of the sea saw that there had been only one boat there, and that Jesus had not entered the boat with his disciples, but that his disciples had gone away alone. 23 Other boats from Tiberias came near the place where they had eaten the bread after the Lord had given thanks. 24 So when the crowd saw that Jesus was not there, nor his disciples, they themselves got into the boats and went to Capernaum, seeking Jesus./blockquote>blockquote>25 When they found him on the other side of the sea, they said to him, “Rabbi, when did you come here?” 26 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves. 27 Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.” 28 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” 30 So they said to him, “Then what sign do you do, that we may see and believe you? What work do you perform? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’” 32 Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 They said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.”/blockquote>blockquote>35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”/blockquote>blockquote>41 So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” 42 They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” 43 Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me— 46 not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. 47 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”/blockquote>blockquote>52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate, and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 Jesus said these things in the synagogue, as he taught at Capernaum./blockquote>blockquote>strong>The Words of Eternal Life/strong>/blockquote>blockquote>60 When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” 61 But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? 62 Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) 65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”/blockquote>blockquote>66 After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. 67 So Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?” 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, 69 and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.” 70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.” 71 He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray him./blockquote>p>Jesus indictment of the crowds motives is clear when He says, em>Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves./em> Apparently an all-you-can-eat, free meal was a crowd favorite back in Jesus day too. :-) In the end, Jesus makes this story about Himself, as does the rest of Scripture/p>p>So the question becomes, what is our motivation for church? In the institutional church, it seems all to easy to get distracted by 1,000 things other than Christ. But cannot the same be said of house churches as well? And do not many of our concerns arise because of the culture we live in rather than what Scripture tells us about our spiritual condition?/p>p>In general, I find myself very much aligned in my thinking with those here who are skeptical of how the institutional churches are run by those who govern them. But how easy I personally find it to make that single issue the focus of the time that I spend thinking of God. If Im to be honest though, I find it much easier to blame others for my poor motives. I need to stop seeking after the fish and the loaves and instead remember that Christ is the living bread and water/p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-614>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts614 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts614 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:614,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts614,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-614,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-614,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-614},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1409>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>1716/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1409 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1409 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1409,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1409,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1409,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1409,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1409}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1409}, {content_id:1409, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1408 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1408>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/your-observation-is-true-dan-house>time datetime2024-08-28T15:57:15+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-08-28T15:57:15+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1jbptse?sysbx_forum&cmt_id296>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/life-span-of-a-house-church>Life span of a house church/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Your observation is true, Dan. House churches have been oversold and buyers remorse often followed. Looking back, the motivation seemed to be more from rebellion (defined as freedom or revolution). These aspects do have considerable merit but eventually can wear thin./p>p>Another big pull factor, also legitimate, was that many saints got badly hurt and even battered in the institutional churches./p>p>The best motivation - which is never perfect in this life - should have been maturity in Christ and ministry to others. But as you know, people would rather complain and be lazy rather than serve one another and win the lost./p>blockquote>strong>em>Ephesians 4:11-13/em>/strong>em> – And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ./em>/blockquote>p>Perhaps, in the providence of God, some churches were meant to be seasonal or short-lived. I cannot say. The longing of the heart, in most people, is to belong to a larger group beyond the home. Its just in their DNA. So it seems./p>p>By the way... Years ago, maybe 25 or 30, we visited a home meeting at your address in Ohio. Before arriving there, I remember seeing the vast farmlands as far as the eye could see. I am from the South, as you are aware. It was at that point I was reminded that the supposed justification of slavery on the basis of southern farms being too big to manage without black labor - was a very lame and cruel excuse indeed./p>p>Brother, you have left a clear testimony and a pathway with many blessings to others. I thank you for your friendship. And with you, I long for members of every ethnic group to join hands and bow together at the cross of Christ. Then to arise and declare his glory and preeminencestrong> /strong>in all things./p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-613>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts613 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts613 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:613,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts613,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-613,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-613,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-613},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1408>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>1982/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1408 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1408 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1408,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1408,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1408,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1408,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1408}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1408}, {content_id:1408, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1363 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1363>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/human-nature-has-not-changed-the-young>time datetime2024-07-31T23:11:22+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-31T23:11:22+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1h5673h?sysbx_forum&cmt_id295>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/the-original-context-of-the-church>The original context of the church/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Human nature has not changed. The young have frequently opposed their elders down through the ages. /p>p>Ive done my part... :) As I teenager, I heard a record by the Who. One of the lines was: I hope I die before I get old. I remember recoiling at that, knowing inside that it displeased the Almighty./p>p>I would like to ask Pete Townsend today: Now that YOU are old, do you still want to die? But I already know the answer./p>p>No. Elders are no longer VIPs as they were in times past. Actually, many do not deserve to be VIPs. Some are more immature than youths./p>p>Going back through history, we notice the first mention of elders are the elders of... Egypt. I recall Ruth being commended for pursing an older guy. And Rehaboam taking his cues from the young men - not the elders./p>p>Brother Dan, soooo good to see you, my long-time friend. /p>p>Ill now post a a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-video/appointed-too-soon-by-allen-parr>short video piece/a> of a fine message from a faithful brother. You will find it interesting to this discussion. /p>p>As you noticed, Ive been pretty keen on the subject of eldership. Because many Christian seniors do not have a clue that they are to encourage and shepherd the young. See 1 Peter 5. /p>p>Thankfully for some - their instincts are better than their doctrines and they do it anyway./p>p>Regrettable, we made an office and a profession out of a elder in the church - more akin to a Parish Priest than a caring brother in Christ. /p>p>Not noticing that some versions of the Bible contain more than half a dozen insertions of the word em>office/em>, regarding leadership roles./p>p>What could be more natural within the body of Christ than for the old to watch out for the younger ones?/p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-612>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts612 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts612 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:612,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts612,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-612,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-612,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-612},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1363>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>6587/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1363 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1363 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1363,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1363,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1363,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1363,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1363}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1363}, {content_id:1363, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1362 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_videos added bx-tl-aml-moderator> a nametimeline-event-1362>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/librarian onclick titleLibrarian> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/f4rleriiwb5rk22bu6xqrjf2gewyuh75.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/librarian classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleLibrarian>div classtruncate>Librarian/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/appointed-too-soon-by-allen-parr>time datetime2024-07-31T22:55:27+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-31T22:55:27+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Video. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix> div classbx-tl-item-videos bx-tl-iv-main bx-tl-iv-single mx-1 mt-2 rounded> div classbx-tl-item-video rounded> script> $(document).ready(function () { if (bx_is_selector_in_stylesheet(.plyr)) { glBxPlyr843450038 new Plyr(#BxPlyr486095578, {quality:{default:480},displayDuration:false,controls:play-large,play,progress,current-time,mute,volume,captions,settings,pip,airplay,fullscreen,settings:captions,quality,speed,loop,ratio:16:9}); } else { setTimeout(function () { glBxPlyr843450038 new Plyr(#BxPlyr486095578, {quality:{default:480},displayDuration:false,controls:play-large,play,progress,current-time,mute,volume,captions,settings,pip,airplay,fullscreen,settings:captions,quality,speed,loop,ratio:16:9}); }, 250); } }); /script> div classbx-player-plyr-wrapper> video idBxPlyr486095578 controls controlsListnodownload preloadauto autobuffer classbx-player-plyr bx-player-plyr-standard posterhttps://s3.wasabisys.com/media-house/bx_videos_media_resized/b/bk/bkz/bkzq5pjncvnqfwtl3kzebj65d4xwnaln.jpg> source typevideo/mp4 srchttps://s3.wasabisys.com/media-house/bx_videos_media_resized/z/zu/zuu/zuuzggjw92xlbytjp9wm37bwbglapqjy.mp4 size480 /> /video> /div> /div> /div>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-video/appointed-too-soon-by-allen-parr classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleAppointed too soon. by Allen Parr>Appointed too soon. by Allen Parr/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Wise words from a youtube video: Why These Powerful MEGA CHURCH Pastors Fell From Ministry!/p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-bx-videos-123>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteBxVideos123 undefined) var oVoteBxVideos123 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:bx_videos,iObjId:123,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteBxVideos123,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-bx-videos-123,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-bx-videos-123,main:bx-vote-likes-bx-videos-123},sSocket:bx_videos_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-videos-123>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>6675/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxVideos123 undefined) var oViewBxVideos123 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxVideos123,sSystem:bx_videos,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:123,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-videos-123,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-videos-123,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-videos-123}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1362}, {content_id:1362, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1361 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1361>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/dan-beaty onclick titleDan Beaty> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>D/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/dan-beaty classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDan Beaty>div classtruncate>Dan Beaty/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/david-you-wrote-quot-and-context-is>time datetime2024-07-30T21:01:40+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-30T21:01:40+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1h5673h?sysbx_forum&cmt_id294>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/the-original-context-of-the-church>The original context of the church/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>David,/p>p>You wrote:/p>p>And? Context is everything. In the early church, unlike our own age, the senior men and women were VIPs. So important was their welfare - if anyone neglected them, they were worse than an infidel and had departed from the faith. When the letters and gospels were read in the early church and the word em>elder /em>came up, there was already thousands of years of context in play. So, no introduction was needed./p>p>This is striking in relationship with a recent situation in our area. Many families in our area are leaving their churches to join with churches that appeal more to their children. I am told these churches are sound in biblical teachings and practices, but the appeal is in their younger leadership. /p>p>Seniority is often seen as a liability these days. /p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-611>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts611 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts611 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:611,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts611,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-611,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-611,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-611},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1361>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>6729/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1361 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1361 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1361,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1361,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1361,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1361,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1361}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1361}, {content_id:1361, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1360 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_forum added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1360>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/dan-beaty onclick titleDan Beaty> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>D/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/dan-beaty classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDan Beaty>div classtruncate>Dan Beaty/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/life-span-of-a-house-church>time datetime2024-07-30T01:28:59+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-30T01:28:59+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Discussion. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/life-span-of-a-house-church classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleLife span of a house church>Life span of a house church/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Back in the 1990s my wife and I participated in house church for around 15 years. We met many wonderful people and learned a lot in the various conferences and retreats. We also observed that many start ups would only last for a year or so. They would begin with great enthusiasm and then the enthusiasm would fade eventually./p>p>Many found this normal and acceptable at the time. I have not been in contact with many house churches lately but I have wondered if things are changing along these lines. Are there many going strong for over 5 years or more?/p>p>Dan B/p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-bx-forum-195>span classsys-action-counter-label bx-vote-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-vote-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon far thumbs-up >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-vote-counter-text ml-1.5>1/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteBxForum195 undefined) var oVoteBxForum195 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:bx_forum,iObjId:195,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteBxForum195,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-bx-forum-195,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-bx-forum-195,main:bx-vote-likes-bx-forum-195},sSocket:bx_forum_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-forum-195>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>7124/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxForum195 undefined) var oViewBxForum195 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxForum195,sSystem:bx_forum,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:195,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-forum-195,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-forum-195,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-forum-195}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1360}, {content_id:1360, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1358 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1358>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/oasis-org-au onclick titleMartin Spratt> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/epk9xcckavtty8kc9dgmbnkdiqhhsr9d.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/oasis-org-au classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleMartin Spratt>div classtruncate>Martin Spratt/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/the-early-church-met-on-the-quot-first>time datetime2024-07-26T07:03:16+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-26T07:03:16+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/10uj6n1?sysbx_forum&cmt_id293>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/which-day-of-the-week-5553>Which day of the week?/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>The early church met on the first day of the week which in those days was Sunday because Saturday was the Sabbath (a holiday or like a weekend). Sunday was considered the first business day or commercial day of the week in those days which is like our Monday today. Out group used to meet Friday nights, now we meet Saturday nights only out of convenience and no other reason. Lots of people have really religious reasons for meeting on certain days. Ironically everyday is a good day to meet. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1355 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1355>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/hello-my-dear-brother-so-good-to-hear>time datetime2024-07-25T14:53:32+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-25T14:53:32+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1k0ygt3?sysbx_posts&cmt_id163>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-post/part-of-the-problem-or-part-of-the-solution>Part of the Problem, or Part of the Solution?/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Hello, my dear brother. So good to hear from you and of your exciting journey into truth. Truth with Jesus Christ at the center./p>p>I am also from Knoxville as I used to live there, part time. Every night, I drove a brown truck over to Callahan Drive. Then, from there, went to the airport to wait for a 757 cargo jet. Then back to Bristol as the sun came up. For 14 years I did this. /p>p>So many fine people around that City. I will never forget them./p>p>Weve just located to the Atlanta area and are on the road for one more day. Well pick up this thread asap. I know you have much to share./p>p>Eric, may the Lord direct your steps in the non-traditional pathway. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1354 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1354>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/eric-h onclick titleEric H> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(0, 143, 184, 1)>E/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/eric-h classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleEric H>div classtruncate>Eric H/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/hi-david-my-name-is-eric-i-live-in>time datetime2024-07-23T03:56:54+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-23T03:56:54+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1k0ygt3?sysbx_posts&cmt_id162>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-post/part-of-the-problem-or-part-of-the-solution>Part of the Problem, or Part of the Solution?/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Hi David. My name is Eric I live in Knoxville. I saw your house gathering there in Bristol. I wish you were closer because I loved your example of the Lord’s supper. I’m looking to move towards a house Church situation and hoping I’ll be able to find somebody in Knoxville soon. I just finished reading the book Pagan Christianity and that sums everything up well. Interestingly, I will tell you that as much as they really think that the church has gone the wrong way for 2000 years, They’re very supportive of people who are in physical churches, and the book has to be read completely front to back to see their context. I really don’t think they’re trying to diss anybody. They’re just trying to get everybody to step back and think about what we’ve been doing. 30 years now of not being comfortable in churches and I’ve never been able to put my finger on it until now - They inherently breed insincerity and that’s what it is for me. It’s not about individual people, but rather the situation people are placed in. We forget that we ourselves are the church and it’s not a location. There’s no building with inherent holiness. I’m praying to find a little gathering of people which would be the church hopefully not more than maybe 30 people. Everybody contributes. Nobody has an official title. It’s interesting that in the early church there were cults and false teachings that developed and there’s a fear now that what I’m suggesting will lead to that but in reality those things develop anyways. /p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-608>span classsys-action-counter-label bx-vote-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-vote-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon far thumbs-up >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-vote-counter-text ml-1.5>1/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts608 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts608 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:608,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts608,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-608,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-608,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-608},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1354>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>7844/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1354 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1354 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1354,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1354,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1354,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1354,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1354}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1354}, {content_id:1354, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1353 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_forum added bx-tl-aml-moderator> a nametimeline-event-1353>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/librarian onclick titleLibrarian> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/f4rleriiwb5rk22bu6xqrjf2gewyuh75.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/librarian classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleLibrarian>div classtruncate>Librarian/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/a-forlorn-and-shipwrecked-brother>time datetime2024-07-19T13:12:37+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-19T13:12:37+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Discussion. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/a-forlorn-and-shipwrecked-brother classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleA forlorn and shipwrecked brother>A forlorn and shipwrecked brother/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>strong>A Psalm of Life/strong> by Henry W Longfellow/p>p>em>What The Heart Of The Young Man Said To The Psalmist./em>/p>p>Tell me not, in mournful numbers, Life is but an empty dream! /p>p>For the soul is dead that slumbers, And things are not what they seem. /p>p>Life is real! Life is earnest! And the grave is not its goal; /p>p>Dust thou art, to dust returnest, Was not spoken of the soul. /p>p>Not enjoyment, and not sorrow, Is our destined end or way; /p>p>But to act, that each to-morrow Find us farther than to-day. /p>p>Art is long, and Time is fleeting, And our hearts, though stout and brave, /p>p>Still, like muffled drums, are beating Funeral marches to the grave. /p>p>In the world’s broad field of battle, In the bivouac of Life, /p>p>Be not like dumb, driven cattle! Be a hero in the strife! /p>p>Trust no Future, howe’er pleasant! Let the dead Past bury its dead! /p>p>Act,— act in the living Present! Heart within, and God o’erhead! /p>p>Lives of great men all remind us We can make our lives sublime, /p>p>And, departing, leave behind us Footprints on the sands of time; /p>p>Footprints, that perhaps another, Sailing o’er life’s solemn main, /p>p>A forlorn and shipwrecked brother, Seeing, shall take heart again. /p>p>Let us, then, be up and doing, With a heart for any fate; /p>p>Still achieving, still pursuing, Learn to labor and to wait./p>p>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/p>p>Everywhere we turn are these forlorn and shipwrecked brothers and sisters. God could personally and miraculously heal and provide for them. Instead, he has commissioned every Christian to be his minister to the least, last, and lost. /p>p>Yet, most Christians are slaves to the modern church system... They dont feel called to the ministry./p>p>The words to Pharaoh still echo down through the centuries: em>Let my people go - that they may serve me./em>/p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-bx-forum-194>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteBxForum194 undefined) var oVoteBxForum194 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:bx_forum,iObjId:194,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteBxForum194,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-bx-forum-194,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-bx-forum-194,main:bx-vote-likes-bx-forum-194},sSocket:bx_forum_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-forum-194>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>8424/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxForum194 undefined) var oViewBxForum194 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxForum194,sSystem:bx_forum,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:194,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-forum-194,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-forum-194,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-forum-194}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1353}, {content_id:1353, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1352 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_forum added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1352>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/who-is-supporting-who>time datetime2024-07-17T13:02:54+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-17T13:02:54+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Discussion. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/who-is-supporting-who classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleWho is supporting who? >Who is supporting who? /a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Carefully examine this dramatic, tear-filled text from Acts 20 to answer this important but simple question:/p>blockquote>em>I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities and to them that were with me. I have showed you all things, how that so labouring YOU ought to SUPPORT the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive. /em>/blockquote>p>Do we really believe that the early churches - small churches meeting in homes - were paying their multiple elders a full-time salary? Pastors today have been taught to expect salaries, as you are aware. But a closer inspection will reveal that their support was to be needs based, just as the widows, the female elders, whom he had just addressed in 1 Timothy. In fact the same word for honor (time) is applied to both genders regarding this matter of support./p>p>In fact, the same word for honor is applied in the same letter to the respect which servants owed to their masters. Do we really believe that these servants were paying their masters a salary?/p>p>It cannot be denied that the pastors (elders or seniors) themselves are exhorted to be working in order to support OTHERS./p>p>A complete reversal of the modern arrangement!/p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-bx-forum-193>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteBxForum193 undefined) var oVoteBxForum193 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:bx_forum,iObjId:193,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteBxForum193,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-bx-forum-193,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-bx-forum-193,main:bx-vote-likes-bx-forum-193},sSocket:bx_forum_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-forum-193>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>8705/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxForum193 undefined) var oViewBxForum193 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxForum193,sSystem:bx_forum,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:193,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-forum-193,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-forum-193,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-forum-193}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1352}, {content_id:1352, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1351 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1351>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy onclick titleBilly> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(186, 188, 0, 1)>B/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleBilly>div classtruncate>Billy/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/probably-the-most-widely-accepted-concept>time datetime2024-07-14T13:49:51+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-14T13:49:51+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1h5673h?sysbx_forum&cmt_id292>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/the-original-context-of-the-church>The original context of the church/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Probably the most widely accepted concept that underpins every eclesical hierarchy is the root concept of office. For the sake of full disclosure I should mention that I received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit from Catholic clergy. I love Catholics and dont argue with them about what I disagree with them about. Im saying this because if you really buy into the concept of offices and ecclesiastic hierarchy its logical conclusion is to become integrated into Catholicism or one of the Orthodox churches . In many ways I really do envy people that have the ability to just accept everything that their denomination teaches but Im just not designed for that. If you have the privilege of thriving in that type of blissful experience and dont want to challenge any of the ideas that you hold dear you probably really shouldnt read anything I write or expose your self to any of my views. Seriously dont, I dont debate I have absolutely no need to try and change anyones opinion but if you are interested this is my conviction concerning ecleseastic hierarchy. All ecclesiastic hierarchys are man made artifacts. The concept of an office is at the root of all of them. If an office is empty human nature (flesh) becomes insecure and rushes to fill that office. You see this clearly in the first chapter of Acts. Peter decided that the office left vacant by Judas needed to be filled (before the infilling of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2). Functioning with out the Holy Spirit they drawl lots and instal Matthias. Hierarchical churchs believe that the account represents normative practice But a compelling argument can be made that infact this was a mistake or miss step. From a literary analysis it is as if man picked Matthias and God picked Paul. Its as if Luke only mentioned Matthias as a contrast to Paul one selected by man (before the coming of the Holy Spirit) and one selected by God. A careful reading of Acts shows Jesus commanding his disciples to go to Jerusalem and wait for the promised Holy Spirit not to do anything else. Filling the office of Judus can and should be seen as another one of Peters over enthusiastic miss steps that are so well documented in the scriptures before he received the Holy Spirit./p>p>This brings me to my position offices dont exist in the Kingdom of God but functions do. The concept of teacher/pastor, evangelist, prophet, apostle are actually functions. God does gift specific people to the church to fulfill these functions but if church history has taught us it is that God does this in His unique way not the way humans do./p>p>So lets dispense it with the titles and focus on the actual function. As a missions mobilizer I always find it amusing that some people think there is a absence of apostles. . There are plenty of missionaries walking in the power of the Holy Spirit reaching the remaining unreached people groups. The church for the most part just ignores and neglects to follow them. /p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-607>span classsys-action-counter-label bx-vote-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-vote-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon far thumbs-up >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-vote-counter-text ml-1.5>1/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts607 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts607 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:607,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts607,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-607,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-607,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-607},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1351>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>9098/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1351 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1351 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1351,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1351,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1351,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1351,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1351}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1351}, {content_id:1351, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1350 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1350>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten onclick titleTodd Buiten> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>T/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleTodd Buiten>div classtruncate>Todd Buiten/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/building-on-what-you-ve-said-about>time datetime2024-07-12T06:34:23+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-12T06:34:23+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1s7smal?sysbx_forum&cmt_id291>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/authorship-of-the-pastoral-epistles>Authorship of the pastoral epistles/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Building on what youve said about language, Id add that another thing that really holds Christians back, especially in the West, is our regular thought patterns which are very linear in nature. When we see certain words or phrases, we associate meanings with them without once giving thought to whether those meanings are true and accurate. Consider, for example, the word worship. I think that many Christians, when asked for Biblical references about worship, might cite the 4th commandment, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. But where, exactly, does God say that this means that we must *worship* on the Sabbath? Here is the Scripture from Ex 20:8-11..../p>blockquote>strong>8 /strong>“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. strong>9 /strong>Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, strong>10 /strong>but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. strong>11 /strong>For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy./blockquote>p>Not only do I not see the word worship anywhere in the text, but what we see seems to clearly exclude worship in its definition of Sabbath day holiness. Verse 8 tells us to keep the Sabbath holy. Verses 9 and 10 appear to define what holiness means in this context. Verse 11 brings us back to creation where it all started. Verse 11 also bookends the rest aspect of Sabbath day holiness by saying, He *rested* on the seventh day. *Therefore* the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it *holy* (emphasis mine)./p>p>Now before anyone says that I believe that you cant worship on the Sabbath or that Im just being too nit-picky, I see nothing wrong with worshipping on the Sabbath. But growing up in a culture where the Sunday was considered to be the Sabbath day of rest (it is not) and Sundays were packed with church activities that offered very little actual rest for the weeks activities, I think that we Christians would do well to take a step back to see how we got to the convoluted system that exists today. We should listen to what God is telling us in Scripture and adjust accordingly. What prevents us from even thinking about doing this is the fact that when we think of worship we pull in all this extra human-invented crud that cant be defended Scripturally. We follow that which we have been taught, not necessarily that which God has ordained./p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-606>span classsys-action-counter-label bx-vote-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-vote-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon far thumbs-up >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-vote-counter-text ml-1.5>1/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts606 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts606 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:606,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts606,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-606,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-606,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-606},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1350>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>9489/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1350 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1350 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1350,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1350,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1350,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1350,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1350}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1350}, {content_id:1350, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1347 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1347>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy onclick titleBilly> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(186, 188, 0, 1)>B/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleBilly>div classtruncate>Billy/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/i-am-extremely-encouraged-by-the-responses>time datetime2024-07-07T12:38:21+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-07T12:38:21+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1s7smal?sysbx_forum&cmt_id290>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/authorship-of-the-pastoral-epistles>Authorship of the pastoral epistles/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>I am extremely encouraged by the responses to this post. It really seemed to me that rejecting scriptures based on the potential theological changes to personal confirmation bias was some what expectable here and that never should be. /p>p>One of the most fascinating aspects of contemporary theology is that all the conflicting polity structures rely on the pastoral Epistles as proof text for polity structures that are completely different. Theres certainly no reason to believe that Scriptures that can be interpreted to support all kinds of leadership structures is suspect of corruption or illegitimacy. /p>p>My main focus in the church is that of a missions mobilizer. I admit that it is not popular. In that regard I absolutely insist that the first second language any cross cultural worker learns is biblical Greek. I am dyslexic (you may have noticed that I leave obvious incorrect words, I cant really detect typos). It probably took me three times as much time and effort to achieve the competency in Greek that a non nurodivegant person would need. The fact is that you only have two options in regards to the scriptures. You can learn Greek and study them directly or you will only ever be able to study what others have written about the scriptures. Every translation is an interpretation and highly imperfect./p>p>The real problem is that the stated goal of the translation is to sell the most Bibles . Its a popularity contest and the concept of accuracy is completely neglected. Just a few generations ago you had to learn Greek if you went to college. Translators would never even try to take some of the libertys that are taken in the novel translations because tons of people many probably not even Christians would call them out on it./p>p>Im saying all this to say it is definitely worth the effort to learn to read Greek. I also am an unflinching proponent of studying the Septuagint. Its absolutely the Bible that the early church used and influenced the New testament more than any other writing. Im not Lutheran I have a problem with Luthers wanting to reject scriptures for his theology (he had problems with James, Hebrews and the Septuagint). I guess that brings me back to where this started. Dont ditch scriptures that challenge your theology. /p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-605>span classsys-action-counter-label bx-vote-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-vote-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon far thumbs-up >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-vote-counter-text ml-1.5>1/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts605 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts605 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:605,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts605,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-605,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-605,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-605},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1347>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>10239/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1347 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1347 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1347,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1347,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1347,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1347,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1347}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1347}, {content_id:1347, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1344 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1344>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten onclick titleTodd Buiten> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>T/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleTodd Buiten>div classtruncate>Todd Buiten/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/hi-billy-your-point-that-quot-we-english>time datetime2024-07-06T18:23:01+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-06T18:23:01+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1s7smal?sysbx_forum&cmt_id289>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/authorship-of-the-pastoral-epistles>Authorship of the pastoral epistles/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Hi Billy. Your point that we English speakers are use to a syntax controlled language is just one reason that the English language can be terrible for understanding the Bible. Take, for example, the translation of John 3:16 from the KJV... For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Large number of Christians will cite this as a proof text for the free will of people to chose their salvation, despite many passages throughout Scripture that seem to contradict that position, But I get why people would say this, because the translation uses whosoever believeth in an active voice. It is therefore my belief that saves me. But if you read the Interlinear Bible (everyone believing in Him) or the Youngs Literal Translation (every one who is believing in him), youll find a passive voice which allows for God to be the primary actor in salvation and not the individual. Modern English language translations have many such problems which set up Scripture to contradict itself, leaving the Christian to pick and chose which passages they will keep and which they will discard. I find it sad that in their zeal to make the Bible more readable, modern translators use devices like word order revisions or dynamic equivalence to help them to achieve their goals. I often use the YLT or Interlinear Bible when reading Scripture so that I can consider what God Himself is saying (to the degree that that is possible) rather than what the translator thought that God has said/p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-604>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts604 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts604 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:604,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts604,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-604,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-604,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-604},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1344>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>10144/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1344 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1344 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1344,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1344,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1344,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1344,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1344}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1344}, {content_id:1344, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1343 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_forum added bx-tl-aml-moderator> a nametimeline-event-1343>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/librarian onclick titleLibrarian> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/f4rleriiwb5rk22bu6xqrjf2gewyuh75.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/librarian classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleLibrarian>div classtruncate>Librarian/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/the-original-context-of-the-church>time datetime2024-07-04T15:24:50+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-04T15:24:50+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Discussion. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/the-original-context-of-the-church classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleThe original context of the church>The original context of the church/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>If a guy in a blue shirt motions for you to come toward him, you might dismiss it. But if there is a shiney silver badge on the front of the shirt, you might want to go along./p>p>And? Context is everything. In the early church, unlike our own age, the senior men and women were VIPs. So important was their welfare - if anyone neglected them, they were worse than an infidel and had departed from the faith. When the letters and gospels were read in the early church and the word em>elder /em>came up, there was already thousands of years of context in play. So, no introduction was needed./p>p>This is why Paul exhorted Timothy to let nobody despise his youth. Timothy was around 40 at the time. But you get the context: Youth meant inexperience and ignorance in the ancient world./p>p>Likewise when we read of elders being ordained in every city, the context is that elders already existed and were to be appointed to the only task they could be appointed to, i.e. oversight among the saints./p>p>Keep your eyes out for a new essay to be republished here in the next few days. It handily refutes the concept of office of elder. As hundreds of years of church tradition fly out the window... away into the wind./p>p>Every senior Christian man is ordained to be a shepherd or overseer. The only and temporary exception is the recent convert who will eventually and non-professionally fulfill this needed role. If you believe that it is un-needed or if there are already enough caring pastors, then I recommend you get out and walk around your neighborhood or city. Trouble is everywhere!/p>p>The elders AMONG YOU, voluntarily be my shepherds, without regard to being paid... LIKEWISE YOU YOUNGER... 1 Peter, chapter 5. The context here regarding pastors is unmistakably AGE RELATED. 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This is private content."); titleAdministrator> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(231, 68, 30, 1)>A/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/administrator classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleAdministrator>div classtruncate>Administrator/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/hey-dear-billy-you-can-always-go-back-and>time datetime2024-06-30T22:59:26+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-30T22:59:26+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1s7smal?sysbx_forum&cmt_id288>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/authorship-of-the-pastoral-epistles>Authorship of the pastoral epistles/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Hey dear Billy. You can always go back and edit your posts at a later time. Of course, you must be logged in to see the edit option./p>p>Circular reasoning seems to come into play with regard to the authenticity of the letters to Timothy and Titus. Scholars, so called, pretend to have found official church hierarchy in these letters thereby making them suspect. This hierarchy however is overblown and even non-existent./p>p>Interestingly, in one version of the English bible, the word OFFICE was inserted 7 times. Such language creates an exaggerated form of the leadership roles in the minds of the modern scholars./p>p>An even weaker argument against the Pastorals is the alleged vocabulary discrepancy. Of course the word usage is different in a letter to an individual compared to one written to an entire church./p>p>The person, btw, named Timothy writing above no longer participates on this site. And if you will notice from the em>About/em> page, linked at the bottom, our commitment here to the God-breathed Scriptures is the baseline from which we desire to work from./p>p>Yes, there are many minor textual variants but they do not change any basic doctrine. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1341 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1341>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/hi-dear-ann-good-to-hear-from-you-yes>time datetime2024-06-26T15:58:09+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-26T15:58:09+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/cxewc1?sysbx_forum&cmt_id287>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/775-members-here>775 Members here/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Hi dear Ann, good to hear from YOU. Yes, He MUST reign!/p>blockquote>strong>1 Cor. 15:25/strong> For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet./blockquote>p>We of course want to see many of his enemies become his friends. /p>p>Never forget this scene from long ago... Its a picture of things to come./p>blockquote>strong>Josh. 10:24/strong> And it came to pass, when they brought out those kings unto Joshua, that Joshua called for all the men of Israel, and said unto the captains of the men of war which went with him, Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings. 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{id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1341}, {content_id:1341, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1340 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1340>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/ann-7329 onclick titleAnn> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(218, 128, 0, 1)>A/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/ann-7329 classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleAnn>div classtruncate>Ann/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/yes-for-sure-these-are-very-uncertain>time datetime2024-06-24T20:06:44+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-24T20:06:44+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/cxewc1?sysbx_forum&cmt_id286>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/775-members-here>775 Members here/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Yes, for sure, these are very uncertain times, but thankfully, we know Who will be victorious! /p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-601>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts601 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts601 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:601,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts601,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-601,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-601,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-601},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1340>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>11571/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1340 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1340 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1340,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1340,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1340,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1340,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1340}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1340}, {content_id:1340, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1339 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1339>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/ann-7329 onclick titleAnn> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(218, 128, 0, 1)>A/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/ann-7329 classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleAnn>div classtruncate>Ann/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/-todd-buiten-i-am-so-very-sorry-to>time datetime2024-06-24T19:06:20+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-24T19:06:20+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/fr3sb1?sysbx_forum&cmt_id285>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/it-took-25-years-to-find-it>It took 25 years to find it.../a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten titleTodd Buiten dchar@ data-profile-id1147 classbx-mention-link bx-link>span contenteditablefalse>@Todd Buiten/span>/a>, I am so very sorry to learn about your amputation. I will pray for you and your wife and my heart goes out to you both. /p>p>And, what you said about sharing the Gospel in collaboration with ministering to the poor is very true because although we are still in this world, we understand that the spiritual realm is the most important. /p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-600>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts600 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts600 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:600,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts600,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-600,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-600,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-600},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1339>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>11567/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1339 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1339 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1339,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1339,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1339,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1339,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1339}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1339}, {content_id:1339, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1338 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1338>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/ann-7329 onclick titleAnn> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(218, 128, 0, 1)>A/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/ann-7329 classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleAnn>div classtruncate>Ann/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/many-people-send-their-parents-or-other>time datetime2024-06-24T17:30:19+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-24T17:30:19+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/4xr4t?sysbx_posts&cmt_id161>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-post/closeness-of-the-church>Closeness of the church/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Many people send their parents or other family members to nursing homes because the distancing from our families begins at a very early age due to many of us are put into daycare and a school system, therefore because most of our time is spent with strangers, its the strangers and their systems that mold and shape us instead of the Scriptures. And, of course, it also makes it more difficult to have the accountability and spiritual intimacy that the Scriptures command us to have. /p>p>The scriptures will protect us and guide us because He is the Word made flesh. If we put as much time or more time into learning His Word, (Deut. 6:7), than other things, then wed have a lot less problems, but just like in the Garden, we oftentimes think that we know better than He does, so we need to stay in the Word & prayer, (1 Thes. 5:15-28). Comparing Scripture to Scripture within its context is absolutely key. Life will never be trial-free, but God sure will reveal Himself to us in a deeper way if we eat His body & drink His blood, (John 6:54-58). I interpret this to mean that He should be the constant air that we breath, our lifes force, He is our life.... (John 15:5)./p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-599>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts599 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts599 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:599,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts599,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-599,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-599,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-599},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1338>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>11446/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1338 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1338 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1338,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1338,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1338,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1338,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1338}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1338}, {content_id:1338, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1337 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1337>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/ann-7329 onclick titleAnn> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(218, 128, 0, 1)>A/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/ann-7329 classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleAnn>div classtruncate>Ann/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/man-looks-at-the-outward-appearance-but>time datetime2024-06-24T16:47:40+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-24T16:47:40+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1d8syrg?sysbx_forum&cmt_id284>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/beware-of-predators>Beware of Predators/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart. /p>p>sup> /sup>But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1336 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1336>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy onclick titleBilly> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(186, 188, 0, 1)>B/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleBilly>div classtruncate>Billy/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/sorry-hit-the-wrong-button-there-as-i-was>time datetime2024-06-24T13:13:38+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-24T13:13:38+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1s7smal?sysbx_forum&cmt_id283>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/authorship-of-the-pastoral-epistles>Authorship of the pastoral epistles/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Sorry hit the wrong button there. As I was saying μαθητής literally means learner English confuses this the verb form of disciple is discipline which is completely different from the verb form of learners which is learn. If the issues in the scriptures were simple we would not need to be disciples in the biblical sense we could be followers or even devotees but the great commission is to make disciples. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1335 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1335>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy onclick titleBilly> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(186, 188, 0, 1)>B/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleBilly>div classtruncate>Billy/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/i-have-to-disagree-with-the-popular>time datetime2024-06-24T13:04:08+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-24T13:04:08+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1s7smal?sysbx_forum&cmt_id282>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/authorship-of-the-pastoral-epistles>Authorship of the pastoral epistles/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>I have to disagree with the popular assumption that the pastoral Epistles are not authentic. Im far from being the best Greek scholar but I do study the NT and Septuagint in Greek for a few hours every day and have been doing it for years. I also have a degree in culture anthropology and sociology and have studied comparative linguistics. The emphasis on word order used to support the argument that the pastoral letters are forgeries doesnt work at all in Greek. We English speakers are use to a syntax controlled language. Basically we understand the parts of speech by the order that the words are presented to us and we have our own way of understanding the significance of a position of a word in a list which doesnt corralat at all with NT Greek. I will defer to the opinion of the extremely well studied scholars Keaner and Fee. Both agreed that by the principals used to discredit the authenticity of the pastoral letters much of what they have written would definitely not be expected as authentic. Think about this for a minute. Im a retired EMT and a Habilitation plan coordinator (I had oversight on a multidisciplinary team and was responsible to document every aspect of clinical care). I have written hundreds of technical documents and EMS run reports non of which resemble this writing. By the standards that are used to disqualify the pastorale letters this cant possibly be me writing this because it doesnt resemble the vast majority of my writing which is extremely technical and specific to the situation I was addressing. The scriptures are what they are and we have to deal with that. Luther (Im certainly not a Lutheran) wanted to get rid of lots of the scriptures that did not fit his theology and he rearranged his Bible to deliberately discount the importance of scriptures he disagreed with. I believe strongly that thats wrong. The pastoral letters were always assumed to be authentic until a few hundred years ago and as I stated the reasoning to question them is flawed in my opinion. Having said all that theres definitely room to decide what aspects of the very specific instructions to Timothy and Titus are to be interpreted as absolutely normative for the whole church in all times. Part of the problem with understanding any epistle is that it is like listing in on half of a phone call. We only hear the answer and have to guess as to what the original issue was that was being addressed. There were definitely radical issues in play in the specific regions that have profound implications for biblical egalitarianism and church politely. One can certainly question wether the leadership structure and the restriction placed on women were specific to that time and place or were intended to be normative in the church for all times and places (any in-depth study of the NT definitely would cause any impartial student to see that there is a lot of diversity in the types of leadership and the roles of women in the rest of the NT). Im always amused by the fact that many modern Christians have a need to say that understanding the scriptures is simple. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1333 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1333>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy onclick titleBilly> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(186, 188, 0, 1)>B/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleBilly>div classtruncate>Billy/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/i-embrace-the-ancient-creeds-and-the>time datetime2024-06-23T12:03:05+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-23T12:03:05+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/ep6rvo?sysbx_forum&cmt_id281>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/how-did-we-get-from-the-sermon-on-the>How did we get from the Sermon on the Mount to the Nicene Creed?/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>I embrace the ancient creeds and the scriptures as a disciple of Jesus. I am probably not as focused on the simplicity of discipleship as is popular today. Discipleship was comparable to the modern concept of graduate school. It was the institution at the time of Jesus that dealt with training in the most complex roles in society. Jesus did describe in detail in his teaching important ways that his disciples would be unique but he did not change the nature of the institution. The simplest way to understand the scriptures and creeds is to LOOK AT THE Scriptures and the creeds through the lens of what Jesus taught and from the perspective of being filled (continually and increasingly) with the Holy Spirit. This is what the expectation is for a disciple. When the New Testament was being developed the culture was an oral culture. This means that most of the people that it was intended to reach could not read,thus Pauls emphasis on public reading of his letters and scripture (Septuagint). This doesnt mean that the people were ignorant. Oral cultures are quite remarkable in the abilities that the people develop in passing down stories and teaching accurately. Jesuss style of teaching and use of parables was extremely learnable to these people. The early disciples were completely immersed in the teaching of our Lord Jesus first and foremost. They looked at the rest of the scriptures and creeds through the lens of what Jesus taught. Today in the western church this has been subtilty turned around and most Protestants actually tend to try to understand the teachings of Jesus through the writings of Paul. Think about it we use the Roman Road to start off new believers not the teachings of Jesus on counting the cost or hearing his voice as his sheep. This is a difficult time for many to understand this. I came to the Lord as a Jesus Freek we understood that the teachings of Jesus were radical and counterculture. Today there is a strong temptation to take part in the culture war. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1332 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_forum added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1332>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/beware-of-predators>time datetime2024-06-22T13:57:22+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-22T13:57:22+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Discussion. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/beware-of-predators classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleBeware of Predators>Beware of Predators/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>img srchttps://housechurch.org/image_transcoder.php?osys_images_editor&h42&dpx2&t1719064436 styledisplay: block; 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And the sad church which he was involved./p>p>There is however another party who is seldom mentioned. That party is the Almighty God. As you can see, He is also quite concerned about his own reputational damage. In fact, one of his names is: Jealous./p>blockquote>2 Sam. 12:14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme - the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die./blockquote>p>I am posting this photo as a reminder not to judge by appearance. 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This is private content."); titleAdministrator> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(231, 68, 30, 1)>A/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/administrator classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleAdministrator>div classtruncate>Administrator/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/775-members-here>time datetime2024-06-21T14:58:25+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-21T14:58:25+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Discussion. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/775-members-here classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src title775 Members here>775 Members here/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Hello all, just to let you know that this informal, non-profit network of Christians now has 775 members since we changed to the new site format. We dont pay much attention to the numbers but rather getting the truth out. /p>p>Wow, most are here to learn from others and never post. So, you with experience or knowledge, please step forward. :)/p>p>To view the latest members, just scroll to the bottom of the home page. Of course, there are those who join but have yet to create a profile./p>p>These are uncertain times. Please consider your role in the days ahead. You are a servant (deacon) of the Most High and appointed to serve others in his Name. Pray to the Almighty for wisdom and strength. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1329 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1329>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/thank-you-dear-sister-for-the-exciting>time datetime2024-06-16T16:48:26+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-16T16:48:26+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/4xr4t?sysbx_posts&cmt_id160>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-post/closeness-of-the-church>Closeness of the church/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Thank you, dear sister for the exciting report regarding your meeting. And for your analysis concerning several topics. And thank your joining in the ongoing discussions!/p>p>Yes, the Western brand of individualism prohibits the outworking of family principles and fellowship with the body of Christ. In fact, its the opposite of the mutual love we we must show to the saints and to the world beyond the church./p>p>Jesus came not to be served but to serve. And to give his life a ransom for many./p>p>Somehow, we must identify this problem and turn it around for Gods glory and for the good of mankind. But how? Only by the Spirit of God. Because this generation is defined by three words: Me, my, and mine./p>p>Btw, Ive noticed that most Asian people would never send their parents away to a nursing home, whether here or in the native land./p>p>I recently heard about two Hispanic brothers who donated large sums of money so that their sister could receive higher education. Wow!/p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-594>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts594 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts594 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:594,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts594,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-594,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-594,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-594},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1329>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>12726/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1329 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1329 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1329,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1329,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1329,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1329,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1329}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1329}, {content_id:1329, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1327 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_videos added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1327>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/the-real-quot-lord-s-supper-quot>time datetime2024-06-11T12:57:12+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-11T12:57:12+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Video. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix> div classbx-tl-item-videos bx-tl-iv-main bx-tl-iv-single mx-1 mt-2 rounded> div classbx-tl-item-video rounded> script> $(document).ready(function () { if (bx_is_selector_in_stylesheet(.plyr)) { glBxPlyr109312381 new Plyr(#BxPlyr898090262, {quality:{default:480},displayDuration:false,controls:play-large,play,progress,current-time,mute,volume,captions,settings,pip,airplay,fullscreen,settings:captions,quality,speed,loop,ratio:16:9}); 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Most of these saints are part of other churches but their home meetings are completely independent./p>p>I was surprised that their attention span greatly exceeds what I was used to. The meetings go on for 3-4 hours. I was also amused by the large quantities of food they enjoyed./p>p>Anyway, I sometimes wonder if fellowship meals such as this better represent the true meaning of what has become the modern Lords Supper. This is a real meal where hunger and thirst are truly relieved and the body strengthened. /p>p>The Corinthian church had problems in this area but the solution set forth by the apostle was not to reduce their supper to a ceremonial micro-meal./p>p>In the same letter he wrote: Whether therefore you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it with God in mind./p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-bx-videos-122>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteBxVideos122 undefined) var oVoteBxVideos122 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:bx_videos,iObjId:122,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteBxVideos122,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-bx-videos-122,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-bx-videos-122,main:bx-vote-likes-bx-videos-122},sSocket:bx_videos_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-videos-122>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>14203/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxVideos122 undefined) var oViewBxVideos122 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxVideos122,sSystem:bx_videos,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:122,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-videos-122,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-videos-122,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-videos-122}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1327}, {content_id:1327, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1324 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1324>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten onclick titleTodd Buiten> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>T/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleTodd Buiten>div classtruncate>Todd Buiten/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/hi-nina-welcome-to-the-conversation-it-s>time datetime2024-05-31T06:52:40+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-05-31T06:52:40+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/14kiz8s?sysbx_forum&cmt_id280>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/husband-leaves-town-house-church-flourishes>Husband leaves town - house church flourishes/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Hi Nina, welcome to the conversation! Its always good to hear from those who, like us, worship Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Please dont let the fact that you are new prevent your from joining in or starting a new thread. If you have something that you want to say but arent sure that its relevant to someone elses post, just click the plus sign (+) in the upper right corner of the page and click Discussion in the dropdown. Give your new discussion thread a topic and select a category, then write whats on your mind. Please keep in mind that the subject matter that you post should be relevant to the Christian faith and for the edification of Gods people. We look forward to your comments and questions. Lord willing, well find fellowship together as the Body of Christ/p>p>As for your comments about the Lords Supper (Communion), I personally feel like this is perhaps the biggest struggle and failing of the church today. Our inability to take this simple act seriously highlights the depth of our sin. Scripture commands us to be unified (e.g. 1 Corinthians 1:10), but more often the Lords Supper is used as a weapon against other Christians rather than a uniting moment. My experience is that the vast number of institutional churches (Protestants, Catholic, and Orthodox alike - the church on the corner) place requirements on their fellow believers before they are welcome at Communion. In some churches, this means that you are a card-carrying member of their church or denomination, or perhaps a member of another approved denomination. Its not uncommon for the most conservative of churches to require that you have been catechized by their leaders, or that you at least present yourself to their elders prior to partaking. Rare is the church that welcomes all believers according to the words of 1 Cor 11:28, Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. Nowhere in Scripture am I able to find the idea of a screening committee to approve of our fellow believer prior to joining the assembly in worship of Christ at the Lords Table. Gods grace demands that we allow any penitent sinner to approach God before His people for restoration. After all, isnt that the whole point of Communion?/p>p>My prayer for you is that you find the resources that you are looking for at your home in Florida. There are some resources available to help you look if you need them, though depending on where you live you may have some difficulty finding like-minded believers. I would encourage you to look, however, and return to forums like this where you can be nourished in your relationship with God in Christ. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1320 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_forum added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1320>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/tommy-harris onclick titleTommy Harris> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/xvksauyv9g9qganq5j6iyxxsa7btebyr.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/tommy-harris classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleTommy Harris>div classtruncate>Tommy Harris/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/christ-living-in-me>time datetime2024-05-28T17:30:10+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-05-28T17:30:10+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Discussion. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/christ-living-in-me classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleChrist living in me?>Christ living in me?/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Can anyone think of a song or hymn ending in Christ living in me? A very cool song. /p>p>These words are not exact otherwise I could locate it. We sang it growing up. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1319 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1319>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten onclick titleTodd Buiten> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>T/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleTodd Buiten>div classtruncate>Todd Buiten/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/this-is-a-great-summary-and-easy-to>time datetime2024-05-24T19:14:17+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-05-24T19:14:17+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1cwjeel?sysbx_forum&cmt_id277>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/church-history-in-one-paragraph>Church History in One Paragraph/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>This is a great summary and easy to remember. I couldnt agree with this more./p>p>One of the things that I love about meeting with Gods assembled people is the sense that there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for we are all one in Christ Jesus (Gal 3:28). Whether Im sitting in a church pew or posting online, when Im among the body of believers then Im just plain old Todd. Im not a manager for my company, or the breadwinner of my family, or an investor in the stock market, or a responsible citizen of my community. All of those things are set aside in deference to worshiping our Lord and Savior. And then these words from Matt 6:31-33 take root.../p>blockquote>strong>31 /strong>Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ strong>32 /strong>For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. strong>33 /strong>But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you./blockquote>p>Although I am still relatively new to the Christian life outside of the institutional church, I find a new freedom in my new environment. But the freedom isnt freedom strong>*FROM*/strong> the church, but rather freedom strong>*TO*/strong> believe as God reveals Himself in the Bible. I find it interesting that when you reject denominationalism on the grounds that it divides the church, its defenders will most certainly cry out, how then do we control against heresy from entering the church? My belief is that the heresy has already entered the church in the form of church control. Scripture cant be more clear about the importance of unity between ALL believers, not just those who belong to a particular church or denomination. There is a great lack of trust that these Christians have in Gods ability to preserve His church. Im not suggesting that teaching and discipleship are not important. They are. What Im saying is that as soon as you start believing that YOUR ACTIONS are what keeps the church pure then youve missed a key point of the Christian faith. It is God who reveals. It is God who preserves. It is God who guides our hearts. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1316 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_forum added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1316>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/church-history-in-one-paragraph>time datetime2024-05-18T14:52:05+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-05-18T14:52:05+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Discussion. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/church-history-in-one-paragraph classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleChurch History in One Paragraph>Church History in One Paragraph/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>strong>“In the beginning the church was a fellowship of men and women centering on the living Christ. Then the church moved to Greece, where it became a philosophy. Then it moved to Rome, where it became an institution. Next, it moved to Europe, where it became a culture. And, finally, it moved to America, where it became an enterprise.”/strong>/p>p>— Richard Halverson, former Chaplain of the United States Senate/p>p>Or limiting the summary of Church history to a single sentence, oversimplified of course:/p>p>strong>Christianity, originally a brotherhood of co-equals, became a hierarchy and has yet to fully recover./strong>/p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-bx-forum-188>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteBxForum188 undefined) var oVoteBxForum188 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:bx_forum,iObjId:188,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteBxForum188,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-bx-forum-188,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-bx-forum-188,main:bx-vote-likes-bx-forum-188},sSocket:bx_forum_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-forum-188>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>17947/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxForum188 undefined) var oViewBxForum188 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxForum188,sSystem:bx_forum,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:188,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-forum-188,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-forum-188,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-forum-188}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1316}, {content_id:1316, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1315 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1315>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten onclick titleTodd Buiten> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>T/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleTodd Buiten>div classtruncate>Todd Buiten/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/thank-you-david-for-your-concern-for-my>time datetime2024-05-10T15:11:46+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-05-10T15:11:46+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/fr3sb1?sysbx_forum&cmt_id276>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/it-took-25-years-to-find-it>It took 25 years to find it.../a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Thank you, David, for your concern for my condition. I cant tell you how much it means to me that I have heard from so many good friends like yourself these last few months, all wanting to help out where they can. God has been gracious beyond measure throughout my life, and especially more so now with these new challenges that I face with my family. I am grateful to have a loving wife who makes my meals and takes me to innumerable doctors appointments. Her care and patience are truly inspiring. And so far as any financial needs are concerned, those have all been covered by insurance through my work, so we have no outstanding expenses. There once was a time quite long ago when this wasnt the case, so I know firsthand how much such kindness can mean in difficult times. If anyone wants to help, I would ask this favor... if you or a loved one has not had a routine physical exam recently then please go see a doctor as soon as you are able. Had I done the same, I would have learned that I have diabetes which could have been corrected prior to my infection getting out of control./p>p>I am so grateful to God for His provision in my life. That includes this community. Despite what happens in this life, we are completely lost without our loving Savior, Jesus Christ. 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This is private content."); titleAdministrator> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(231, 68, 30, 1)>A/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/administrator classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleAdministrator>div classtruncate>Administrator/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/hello-dear-brother-thank-you-for-the>time datetime2024-05-09T15:53:48+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-05-09T15:53:48+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/fr3sb1?sysbx_forum&cmt_id275>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/it-took-25-years-to-find-it>It took 25 years to find it.../a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Hello dear brother. Thank you for the encouraging words wide and experience - especially amidst your own difficulties. Obviously your faith is strong, as is your reliance upon the Almighty./p>p>Sadly, many become bitter or even angry with God when something like this occurs./p>p>Your new and ongoing situation will require major adjustments. Everyone, please lift up our brother and his loved ones in your daily prayers. /p>p>Todd, will you contact me privately on this site? Please provide me with your PayPal or Amazon address. Ill act as a go-between for those desiring to help, rather than share your personal information online./p>p>David Anderson, serving as Administrator./p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-587>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts587 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts587 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:587,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts587,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-587,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-587,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-587},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1314>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>18618/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1314 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1314 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1314,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1314,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1314,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1314,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1314}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1314}, {content_id:1314, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1312 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1312>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten onclick titleTodd Buiten> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>T/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleTodd Buiten>div classtruncate>Todd Buiten/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/i-find-that-there-s-a-real-balance-to-be>time datetime2024-05-04T05:52:52+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-05-04T05:52:52+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/fr3sb1?sysbx_forum&cmt_id274>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/it-took-25-years-to-find-it>It took 25 years to find it.../a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>I find that theres a real balance to be struck that your average Christian does not understand, which is really too bad since Scripture cries out that we seek it. Jesus came first and foremost to heal us spiritually, but in the same way God does not leave us to fend for ourselves physically. Matt 6:25-32 tells us not to be anxious about anything because God loves us more than the birds of the air and lilies of the field, yet ends with with verse 33 which is near and dear to many of us here... But seek first the reign of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. Both the spiritual and physical are important to God/p>p>While I agree with the author about churches obsessing on the mechanics of church, I would disagree with the statement that, em>It was largely about spiritual salvation and growth, praying for people, and religious codes of conduct. /em>As I have lamented previously on this website, what many might call spiritual salvation and growth is much more cultural in nature than it is Christian. There is a set of standards and behaviors that Christians are expected to adhere to, which look frighteningly similar to Western cultural values. Ive often struggled to find Christians who want to talk about sin and salvation, which is core to our Christian faith. I guess that Ive never been one to believe that obsessing over making the worship service perfect was a great use of time/p>p>Yet I also have to wonder about churches that take the opposite approach and dedicate themselves to only providing for the physical needs of the community in which they live. Here where I live near Seattle, churches are big into taking care of the homeless, sometimes to the exclusion of all else. It would be difficult from a spiritual perspective to call them churches as they focus on very little in Scripture other than Christs command to feed the poor/p>p>Where I think the lack of balance comes into play in this whole equation is in our collective lack of understanding that our physical infirmities can be directly tied to the Fall of Man in the Garden of Eden. I recently spent 16 days in the hospital in which I had my right foot amputated due to a severe foot infection. Nothing could have made a better statement to me of the effects of sin than those two weeks. Its not as though God was punishing me for specific sins as some might believe. But I couldnt escape the fact that we all live in a fallen world, and that only by the grace of God that any of us has hope for the future. An eternal future full of the grace of our beloved Savior/p>p>I guess my point is that there is a middle ground in all of this. To focus solely on the spiritual is to miss the point of Gods daily mercies in our everyday existences. Watching a limb rot away before your eyes as I recently did is a sobering reminder of the fragility of our lives here on Earth. We need God to survive. But to say that all of the ills that we face will be somehow cured with a clean pair of socks and a hot meal is to miss the point as well. As the human race, we are where we are today because of sin, and to help someone in need without sharing the hope that God has placed in us for the future is missing the point when it comes to the Christian life/p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-586>span classsys-action-counter-label bx-vote-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-vote-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon far thumbs-up >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-vote-counter-text ml-1.5>1/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts586 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts586 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:586,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts586,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-586,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-586,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-586},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1312>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>19347/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1312 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1312 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1312,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1312,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1312,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1312,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1312}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1312}, {content_id:1312, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1310 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_posts added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1310>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/dan-beaty onclick titleDan Beaty> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>D/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/dan-beaty classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDan Beaty>div classtruncate>Dan Beaty/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/our-father>time datetime2024-04-29T19:20:56+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-04-29T19:20:56+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Post /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-post/our-father classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleOur Father>Our Father/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Here is a recent arrangement of the Lords Prayer set to music. 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classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-discussions-home bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-hl-hover bx-def-box-sizing > a hrefdiscussions-home > div classbx-menu-floating-blocks-icon> i classsys-icon far comments col-blue2>/i> /div> div classbx-menu-floating-blocks-title>Discussion/div> /a> /li>/ul>script languagejavascript> $(document).ready(function () { // add default class to active menu items $(.bx-menu-floating-blocks > li.bx-menu-tab-active).not(.bx-def-color-bg-active).addClass(bx-def-color-bg-active); });/script>/div>/div>/div>!-- Design Box 13 end -->/div>div classbx-page-block-container idbx-page-block-120>!-- Design Box 13 start: Content + background + padding -->div classbx-db-container bx-dbc-notitle bx-def-image-bg-block bx-def-color-bg-block bx-def-border-block bx-shadow-block> div classbx-db-content bx-content-padding-block bx-clearfix>p styletext-align: center;>em>For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. /em>em>Romans 11/em>/p>/div>/div>!-- Design Box 13 end -->/div>div classbx-page-block-container idbx-page-block-4291>!-- Design Box 0 start: Content only -->div classbx-db-container bx-dbc-notitle bx-dbc-nopadding bx-dbc-nobg> div classbx-db-content relative>div idbx-timeline-main-outline-public classbx-tl-view bx-tl-view-outline bx-def-bc-margin> div classbx-tl-cnt> div classbx-tl-back-holder>/div> div classbx-tl-empty-holder>div classbx-tl-empty styledisplay:none;>div classbx-msg-box-container my-4 px-4 text-center id1726146099700> div classbx-msg-box inline-block mx-auto p-4 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-600 text-gray-600 dark:text-gray-300 uppercase rounded-md>Empty/div> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-items-wrapper> div classbx-tl-items bx-def-margin-sec-leftright-neg>div classbx-tl-grid-sizer>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1414 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1414>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/dan-beaty onclick titleDan Beaty> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>D/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/dan-beaty classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDan Beaty>div classtruncate>Dan Beaty/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/david-i-echo-your-cry-for-simplicity-i>time datetime2024-09-08T22:32:48+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-09-08T22:32:48+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/2by43s?sysbx_posts&cmt_id164>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-post/fluidity-do-you-see-it>Fluidity - do you see it?/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>David, I echo your cry for simplicity. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1413 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_posts added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1413>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/fluidity-do-you-see-it>time datetime2024-09-08T19:38:28+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-09-08T19:38:28+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Post /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-post/fluidity-do-you-see-it classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleFluidity - do you see it?>Fluidity - do you see it?/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Why is there no precise list of church officers in the New Testament which is elsewhere repeated in the New Testament?/p>p>In Titus, there is a long list of requirements for elders. In Timothy, there are long lists of requirements together for elders em>and/em> for deacons./p>p>In Philippians, there are overseers and servants mentioned together. Bishops and deacons, theyre called. But the word for deacon is the same word for servant - a name referring to any service. So, Paul could be addressing the elder/overseers and everyone else besides them./p>p>Here are three comprehensive leadership lists. Though similar, they are not the same./p>blockquote>So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness. Romans 12:5-8 /blockquote>blockquote>Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 1 Cor. 12:4-10 /blockquote>blockquote>One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, em>for the work of the ministry/em>, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Ephesians 4./blockquote>p>The lost key, I believe, to divine and biblical church leadership is fluidity - fluidity of servant actions rather than the filling of church positions./p>p>True enough, there are requirements made of elder men, of elder women, younger men, and of servants in particular and in general. Yet we cannot deduce that there is an office of elder women or an office of younger men or an office of servants or an office of tongue-speakers./p>p>Be very suspicious of Bible versions which add the word em>office/em> about a half dozen times, by the way./p>p>Imagine with me... Oh, what a beautiful thing to behold. Each empowered Christian using his/her gifts and resources for the others without regard to status or to office or to being paid./p>p>We prefer everything to fit into a neat little package but that is not case with regard to church structure. We should be thinking in broader terms, it so appears. And praying for more gifts which will edify others./p>p>Take for example, the table servers in Acts 7. Deacons, they have come to be called. More than one of these deacons also preached and baptized. One became the first martyr. Yet, in the minds of most, the deacons main task is a lesser one when compared to the pastors or to preachers. But remember, Jesus stated that if you would be great in his Kingdom, you must be a servant (deacon) of others./p>p>Notice that Judas, the apostle, in the first chapter of Acts, is referred to - not only as an apostle but as having a ministry (diakonios). Yet, he is not remembered in modern times as a minister nor a deacon./p>p>Over the years, we have focused on the role of the elders (older ones) as the natural shepherds or pastors - not requiring an election nor an ordination service nor a seminary degree nor a salary. This however would not rule out the possibility or even likelihood ofem> young/em> overseers. After all, the younger ones would eventually become the older ones (elders) who are charged with caring for the flock of God. That is, unless they are recent converts to the faith./p>p>Pause and ponder today: If Paul put young Timothy into an administrative position over certain geographic regions, his useful, youthful agent would have surely been qualified to oversee things in a single house church as a pastor./p>p>Do you see the fluidity? Think of gifts and responsibilities - not positions which are waiting to be fulfilled. Do you remember the text above which referred to pastor/teachers? Here is it assumed that the pastors would also be teachers. As they should be. Elsewhere we read of teachers without any regard to a pastoral role./p>p>And with fluidity, dont overlook the element of liberty in the early church leadership framework. A sudden need arose for widows needing daily food. So, these workers were immediately brought into the picture. Problem solved./p>p>So in short summary, if you can (ability) serve others - you should (permission) serve others! Are not the needs greater than ever?/p>p>We seriously need to simplify things. Because they have become needlessly complicated and expensive. The vast portion of church funds today goes towards leadership and other cumbersome machinery deemed indispensable. /p>p>Do we really believe that the early Christians, often meeting in homes, were paying out professional salaries?/p>p>Please show me a church which is feeding needy people everyday. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1409 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1409>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten onclick titleTodd Buiten> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>T/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleTodd Buiten>div classtruncate>Todd Buiten/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/david-your-thoughts-aligned-with-mine>time datetime2024-08-30T21:48:55+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-08-30T21:48:55+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1jbptse?sysbx_forum&cmt_id297>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/life-span-of-a-house-church>Life span of a house church/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>David, your thoughts aligned with mine when I read Dans post. (Ive been meaning to reply ever since he posted but struggled to complete my thoughts.) We were once part of a ministry that eventually fell apart because the reason to form it was no longer important to those of us who put in the effort to get it going. It was a valuable lesson that has really impacted my view of the church./p>p>I really hate what our culture has done to the church. You said, many saints got badly hurt and even battered in the institutional churches. I agree. Yet when I look back to my own experiences then I have no one to blame other than myself for any anger and hurt that I felt at that time. My true motivation was not maturity in Christ and ministry to others as you so aptly put. Those things that drew me to be a part of the church at that time were not eternal things that last. Instead, they were cultural. It reminds me a lot of Jesus following the feeding of the 5,000 as found in John 6:22-71. As you read this, please note that Jesus questions the crowds motives, tells them exactly who it is that stands before them, then watches many of his followers turn away.../p>blockquote>strong>I Am the Bread of Life/strong>/blockquote>blockquote>22 On the next day the crowd that remained on the other side of the sea saw that there had been only one boat there, and that Jesus had not entered the boat with his disciples, but that his disciples had gone away alone. 23 Other boats from Tiberias came near the place where they had eaten the bread after the Lord had given thanks. 24 So when the crowd saw that Jesus was not there, nor his disciples, they themselves got into the boats and went to Capernaum, seeking Jesus./blockquote>blockquote>25 When they found him on the other side of the sea, they said to him, “Rabbi, when did you come here?” 26 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves. 27 Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.” 28 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” 30 So they said to him, “Then what sign do you do, that we may see and believe you? What work do you perform? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’” 32 Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 They said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.”/blockquote>blockquote>35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”/blockquote>blockquote>41 So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” 42 They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” 43 Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me— 46 not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. 47 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”/blockquote>blockquote>52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate, and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 Jesus said these things in the synagogue, as he taught at Capernaum./blockquote>blockquote>strong>The Words of Eternal Life/strong>/blockquote>blockquote>60 When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” 61 But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? 62 Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) 65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”/blockquote>blockquote>66 After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. 67 So Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?” 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, 69 and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.” 70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.” 71 He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray him./blockquote>p>Jesus indictment of the crowds motives is clear when He says, em>Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves./em> Apparently an all-you-can-eat, free meal was a crowd favorite back in Jesus day too. :-) In the end, Jesus makes this story about Himself, as does the rest of Scripture/p>p>So the question becomes, what is our motivation for church? In the institutional church, it seems all to easy to get distracted by 1,000 things other than Christ. But cannot the same be said of house churches as well? And do not many of our concerns arise because of the culture we live in rather than what Scripture tells us about our spiritual condition?/p>p>In general, I find myself very much aligned in my thinking with those here who are skeptical of how the institutional churches are run by those who govern them. But how easy I personally find it to make that single issue the focus of the time that I spend thinking of God. If Im to be honest though, I find it much easier to blame others for my poor motives. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1408 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1408>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/your-observation-is-true-dan-house>time datetime2024-08-28T15:57:15+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-08-28T15:57:15+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1jbptse?sysbx_forum&cmt_id296>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/life-span-of-a-house-church>Life span of a house church/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Your observation is true, Dan. House churches have been oversold and buyers remorse often followed. Looking back, the motivation seemed to be more from rebellion (defined as freedom or revolution). These aspects do have considerable merit but eventually can wear thin./p>p>Another big pull factor, also legitimate, was that many saints got badly hurt and even battered in the institutional churches./p>p>The best motivation - which is never perfect in this life - should have been maturity in Christ and ministry to others. But as you know, people would rather complain and be lazy rather than serve one another and win the lost./p>blockquote>strong>em>Ephesians 4:11-13/em>/strong>em> – And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ./em>/blockquote>p>Perhaps, in the providence of God, some churches were meant to be seasonal or short-lived. I cannot say. The longing of the heart, in most people, is to belong to a larger group beyond the home. Its just in their DNA. So it seems./p>p>By the way... Years ago, maybe 25 or 30, we visited a home meeting at your address in Ohio. Before arriving there, I remember seeing the vast farmlands as far as the eye could see. I am from the South, as you are aware. It was at that point I was reminded that the supposed justification of slavery on the basis of southern farms being too big to manage without black labor - was a very lame and cruel excuse indeed./p>p>Brother, you have left a clear testimony and a pathway with many blessings to others. I thank you for your friendship. And with you, I long for members of every ethnic group to join hands and bow together at the cross of Christ. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1363 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1363>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/human-nature-has-not-changed-the-young>time datetime2024-07-31T23:11:22+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-31T23:11:22+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1h5673h?sysbx_forum&cmt_id295>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/the-original-context-of-the-church>The original context of the church/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Human nature has not changed. The young have frequently opposed their elders down through the ages. /p>p>Ive done my part... :) As I teenager, I heard a record by the Who. One of the lines was: I hope I die before I get old. I remember recoiling at that, knowing inside that it displeased the Almighty./p>p>I would like to ask Pete Townsend today: Now that YOU are old, do you still want to die? But I already know the answer./p>p>No. Elders are no longer VIPs as they were in times past. Actually, many do not deserve to be VIPs. Some are more immature than youths./p>p>Going back through history, we notice the first mention of elders are the elders of... Egypt. I recall Ruth being commended for pursing an older guy. And Rehaboam taking his cues from the young men - not the elders./p>p>Brother Dan, soooo good to see you, my long-time friend. /p>p>Ill now post a a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-video/appointed-too-soon-by-allen-parr>short video piece/a> of a fine message from a faithful brother. You will find it interesting to this discussion. /p>p>As you noticed, Ive been pretty keen on the subject of eldership. Because many Christian seniors do not have a clue that they are to encourage and shepherd the young. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1361 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1361>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/dan-beaty onclick titleDan Beaty> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>D/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/dan-beaty classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDan Beaty>div classtruncate>Dan Beaty/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/david-you-wrote-quot-and-context-is>time datetime2024-07-30T21:01:40+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-30T21:01:40+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1h5673h?sysbx_forum&cmt_id294>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/the-original-context-of-the-church>The original context of the church/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>David,/p>p>You wrote:/p>p>And? Context is everything. In the early church, unlike our own age, the senior men and women were VIPs. So important was their welfare - if anyone neglected them, they were worse than an infidel and had departed from the faith. When the letters and gospels were read in the early church and the word em>elder /em>came up, there was already thousands of years of context in play. So, no introduction was needed./p>p>This is striking in relationship with a recent situation in our area. Many families in our area are leaving their churches to join with churches that appeal more to their children. I am told these churches are sound in biblical teachings and practices, but the appeal is in their younger leadership. /p>p>Seniority is often seen as a liability these days. /p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-611>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts611 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts611 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:611,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts611,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-611,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-611,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-611},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1361>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>6729/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1361 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1361 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1361,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1361,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1361,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1361,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1361}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1361}, {content_id:1361, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1360 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_forum added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1360>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/dan-beaty onclick titleDan Beaty> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>D/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/dan-beaty classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDan Beaty>div classtruncate>Dan Beaty/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/life-span-of-a-house-church>time datetime2024-07-30T01:28:59+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-30T01:28:59+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Discussion. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/life-span-of-a-house-church classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleLife span of a house church>Life span of a house church/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Back in the 1990s my wife and I participated in house church for around 15 years. We met many wonderful people and learned a lot in the various conferences and retreats. We also observed that many start ups would only last for a year or so. They would begin with great enthusiasm and then the enthusiasm would fade eventually./p>p>Many found this normal and acceptable at the time. I have not been in contact with many house churches lately but I have wondered if things are changing along these lines. Are there many going strong for over 5 years or more?/p>p>Dan B/p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-bx-forum-195>span classsys-action-counter-label bx-vote-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-vote-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon far thumbs-up >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-vote-counter-text ml-1.5>1/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteBxForum195 undefined) var oVoteBxForum195 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:bx_forum,iObjId:195,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteBxForum195,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-bx-forum-195,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-bx-forum-195,main:bx-vote-likes-bx-forum-195},sSocket:bx_forum_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-forum-195>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>7124/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxForum195 undefined) var oViewBxForum195 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxForum195,sSystem:bx_forum,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:195,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-forum-195,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-forum-195,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-forum-195}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1360}, {content_id:1360, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1358 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1358>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/oasis-org-au onclick titleMartin Spratt> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/epk9xcckavtty8kc9dgmbnkdiqhhsr9d.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/oasis-org-au classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleMartin Spratt>div classtruncate>Martin Spratt/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/the-early-church-met-on-the-quot-first>time datetime2024-07-26T07:03:16+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-26T07:03:16+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/10uj6n1?sysbx_forum&cmt_id293>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/which-day-of-the-week-5553>Which day of the week?/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>The early church met on the first day of the week which in those days was Sunday because Saturday was the Sabbath (a holiday or like a weekend). Sunday was considered the first business day or commercial day of the week in those days which is like our Monday today. Out group used to meet Friday nights, now we meet Saturday nights only out of convenience and no other reason. Lots of people have really religious reasons for meeting on certain days. Ironically everyday is a good day to meet. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1355 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1355>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/hello-my-dear-brother-so-good-to-hear>time datetime2024-07-25T14:53:32+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-25T14:53:32+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1k0ygt3?sysbx_posts&cmt_id163>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-post/part-of-the-problem-or-part-of-the-solution>Part of the Problem, or Part of the Solution?/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Hello, my dear brother. So good to hear from you and of your exciting journey into truth. Truth with Jesus Christ at the center./p>p>I am also from Knoxville as I used to live there, part time. Every night, I drove a brown truck over to Callahan Drive. Then, from there, went to the airport to wait for a 757 cargo jet. Then back to Bristol as the sun came up. For 14 years I did this. /p>p>So many fine people around that City. I will never forget them./p>p>Weve just located to the Atlanta area and are on the road for one more day. Well pick up this thread asap. I know you have much to share./p>p>Eric, may the Lord direct your steps in the non-traditional pathway. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1354 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1354>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/eric-h onclick titleEric H> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(0, 143, 184, 1)>E/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/eric-h classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleEric H>div classtruncate>Eric H/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/hi-david-my-name-is-eric-i-live-in>time datetime2024-07-23T03:56:54+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-23T03:56:54+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1k0ygt3?sysbx_posts&cmt_id162>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-post/part-of-the-problem-or-part-of-the-solution>Part of the Problem, or Part of the Solution?/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Hi David. My name is Eric I live in Knoxville. I saw your house gathering there in Bristol. I wish you were closer because I loved your example of the Lord’s supper. I’m looking to move towards a house Church situation and hoping I’ll be able to find somebody in Knoxville soon. I just finished reading the book Pagan Christianity and that sums everything up well. Interestingly, I will tell you that as much as they really think that the church has gone the wrong way for 2000 years, They’re very supportive of people who are in physical churches, and the book has to be read completely front to back to see their context. I really don’t think they’re trying to diss anybody. They’re just trying to get everybody to step back and think about what we’ve been doing. 30 years now of not being comfortable in churches and I’ve never been able to put my finger on it until now - They inherently breed insincerity and that’s what it is for me. It’s not about individual people, but rather the situation people are placed in. We forget that we ourselves are the church and it’s not a location. There’s no building with inherent holiness. I’m praying to find a little gathering of people which would be the church hopefully not more than maybe 30 people. Everybody contributes. Nobody has an official title. It’s interesting that in the early church there were cults and false teachings that developed and there’s a fear now that what I’m suggesting will lead to that but in reality those things develop anyways. /p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-608>span classsys-action-counter-label bx-vote-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-vote-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon far thumbs-up >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-vote-counter-text ml-1.5>1/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts608 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts608 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:608,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts608,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-608,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-608,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-608},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1354>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>7844/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1354 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1354 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1354,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1354,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1354,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1354,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1354}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1354}, {content_id:1354, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1353 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_forum added bx-tl-aml-moderator> a nametimeline-event-1353>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/librarian onclick titleLibrarian> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/f4rleriiwb5rk22bu6xqrjf2gewyuh75.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/librarian classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleLibrarian>div classtruncate>Librarian/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/a-forlorn-and-shipwrecked-brother>time datetime2024-07-19T13:12:37+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-19T13:12:37+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Discussion. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/a-forlorn-and-shipwrecked-brother classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleA forlorn and shipwrecked brother>A forlorn and shipwrecked brother/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>strong>A Psalm of Life/strong> by Henry W Longfellow/p>p>em>What The Heart Of The Young Man Said To The Psalmist./em>/p>p>Tell me not, in mournful numbers, Life is but an empty dream! /p>p>For the soul is dead that slumbers, And things are not what they seem. /p>p>Life is real! Life is earnest! And the grave is not its goal; /p>p>Dust thou art, to dust returnest, Was not spoken of the soul. /p>p>Not enjoyment, and not sorrow, Is our destined end or way; /p>p>But to act, that each to-morrow Find us farther than to-day. /p>p>Art is long, and Time is fleeting, And our hearts, though stout and brave, /p>p>Still, like muffled drums, are beating Funeral marches to the grave. /p>p>In the world’s broad field of battle, In the bivouac of Life, /p>p>Be not like dumb, driven cattle! Be a hero in the strife! /p>p>Trust no Future, howe’er pleasant! Let the dead Past bury its dead! /p>p>Act,— act in the living Present! Heart within, and God o’erhead! /p>p>Lives of great men all remind us We can make our lives sublime, /p>p>And, departing, leave behind us Footprints on the sands of time; /p>p>Footprints, that perhaps another, Sailing o’er life’s solemn main, /p>p>A forlorn and shipwrecked brother, Seeing, shall take heart again. /p>p>Let us, then, be up and doing, With a heart for any fate; /p>p>Still achieving, still pursuing, Learn to labor and to wait./p>p>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/p>p>Everywhere we turn are these forlorn and shipwrecked brothers and sisters. God could personally and miraculously heal and provide for them. Instead, he has commissioned every Christian to be his minister to the least, last, and lost. /p>p>Yet, most Christians are slaves to the modern church system... 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Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities and to them that were with me. I have showed you all things, how that so labouring YOU ought to SUPPORT the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive. /em>/blockquote>p>Do we really believe that the early churches - small churches meeting in homes - were paying their multiple elders a full-time salary? Pastors today have been taught to expect salaries, as you are aware. But a closer inspection will reveal that their support was to be needs based, just as the widows, the female elders, whom he had just addressed in 1 Timothy. In fact the same word for honor (time) is applied to both genders regarding this matter of support./p>p>In fact, the same word for honor is applied in the same letter to the respect which servants owed to their masters. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1351 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1351>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy onclick titleBilly> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(186, 188, 0, 1)>B/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleBilly>div classtruncate>Billy/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/probably-the-most-widely-accepted-concept>time datetime2024-07-14T13:49:51+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-14T13:49:51+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1h5673h?sysbx_forum&cmt_id292>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/the-original-context-of-the-church>The original context of the church/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Probably the most widely accepted concept that underpins every eclesical hierarchy is the root concept of office. For the sake of full disclosure I should mention that I received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit from Catholic clergy. I love Catholics and dont argue with them about what I disagree with them about. Im saying this because if you really buy into the concept of offices and ecclesiastic hierarchy its logical conclusion is to become integrated into Catholicism or one of the Orthodox churches . In many ways I really do envy people that have the ability to just accept everything that their denomination teaches but Im just not designed for that. If you have the privilege of thriving in that type of blissful experience and dont want to challenge any of the ideas that you hold dear you probably really shouldnt read anything I write or expose your self to any of my views. Seriously dont, I dont debate I have absolutely no need to try and change anyones opinion but if you are interested this is my conviction concerning ecleseastic hierarchy. All ecclesiastic hierarchys are man made artifacts. The concept of an office is at the root of all of them. If an office is empty human nature (flesh) becomes insecure and rushes to fill that office. You see this clearly in the first chapter of Acts. Peter decided that the office left vacant by Judas needed to be filled (before the infilling of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2). Functioning with out the Holy Spirit they drawl lots and instal Matthias. Hierarchical churchs believe that the account represents normative practice But a compelling argument can be made that infact this was a mistake or miss step. From a literary analysis it is as if man picked Matthias and God picked Paul. Its as if Luke only mentioned Matthias as a contrast to Paul one selected by man (before the coming of the Holy Spirit) and one selected by God. A careful reading of Acts shows Jesus commanding his disciples to go to Jerusalem and wait for the promised Holy Spirit not to do anything else. Filling the office of Judus can and should be seen as another one of Peters over enthusiastic miss steps that are so well documented in the scriptures before he received the Holy Spirit./p>p>This brings me to my position offices dont exist in the Kingdom of God but functions do. The concept of teacher/pastor, evangelist, prophet, apostle are actually functions. God does gift specific people to the church to fulfill these functions but if church history has taught us it is that God does this in His unique way not the way humans do./p>p>So lets dispense it with the titles and focus on the actual function. As a missions mobilizer I always find it amusing that some people think there is a absence of apostles. . There are plenty of missionaries walking in the power of the Holy Spirit reaching the remaining unreached people groups. The church for the most part just ignores and neglects to follow them. /p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-607>span classsys-action-counter-label bx-vote-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-vote-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon far thumbs-up >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-vote-counter-text ml-1.5>1/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts607 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts607 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:607,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts607,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-607,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-607,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-607},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1351>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>9098/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1351 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1351 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1351,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1351,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1351,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1351,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1351}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1351}, {content_id:1351, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1350 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1350>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten onclick titleTodd Buiten> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>T/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleTodd Buiten>div classtruncate>Todd Buiten/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/building-on-what-you-ve-said-about>time datetime2024-07-12T06:34:23+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-12T06:34:23+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1s7smal?sysbx_forum&cmt_id291>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/authorship-of-the-pastoral-epistles>Authorship of the pastoral epistles/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Building on what youve said about language, Id add that another thing that really holds Christians back, especially in the West, is our regular thought patterns which are very linear in nature. When we see certain words or phrases, we associate meanings with them without once giving thought to whether those meanings are true and accurate. Consider, for example, the word worship. I think that many Christians, when asked for Biblical references about worship, might cite the 4th commandment, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. But where, exactly, does God say that this means that we must *worship* on the Sabbath? Here is the Scripture from Ex 20:8-11..../p>blockquote>strong>8 /strong>“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. strong>9 /strong>Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, strong>10 /strong>but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. strong>11 /strong>For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy./blockquote>p>Not only do I not see the word worship anywhere in the text, but what we see seems to clearly exclude worship in its definition of Sabbath day holiness. Verse 8 tells us to keep the Sabbath holy. Verses 9 and 10 appear to define what holiness means in this context. Verse 11 brings us back to creation where it all started. Verse 11 also bookends the rest aspect of Sabbath day holiness by saying, He *rested* on the seventh day. *Therefore* the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it *holy* (emphasis mine)./p>p>Now before anyone says that I believe that you cant worship on the Sabbath or that Im just being too nit-picky, I see nothing wrong with worshipping on the Sabbath. But growing up in a culture where the Sunday was considered to be the Sabbath day of rest (it is not) and Sundays were packed with church activities that offered very little actual rest for the weeks activities, I think that we Christians would do well to take a step back to see how we got to the convoluted system that exists today. We should listen to what God is telling us in Scripture and adjust accordingly. What prevents us from even thinking about doing this is the fact that when we think of worship we pull in all this extra human-invented crud that cant be defended Scripturally. We follow that which we have been taught, not necessarily that which God has ordained./p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-606>span classsys-action-counter-label bx-vote-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-vote-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon far thumbs-up >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-vote-counter-text ml-1.5>1/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts606 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts606 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:606,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts606,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-606,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-606,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-606},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1350>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>9489/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1350 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1350 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1350,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1350,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1350,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1350,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1350}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1350}, {content_id:1350, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1347 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1347>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy onclick titleBilly> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(186, 188, 0, 1)>B/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleBilly>div classtruncate>Billy/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/i-am-extremely-encouraged-by-the-responses>time datetime2024-07-07T12:38:21+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-07T12:38:21+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1s7smal?sysbx_forum&cmt_id290>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/authorship-of-the-pastoral-epistles>Authorship of the pastoral epistles/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>I am extremely encouraged by the responses to this post. It really seemed to me that rejecting scriptures based on the potential theological changes to personal confirmation bias was some what expectable here and that never should be. /p>p>One of the most fascinating aspects of contemporary theology is that all the conflicting polity structures rely on the pastoral Epistles as proof text for polity structures that are completely different. Theres certainly no reason to believe that Scriptures that can be interpreted to support all kinds of leadership structures is suspect of corruption or illegitimacy. /p>p>My main focus in the church is that of a missions mobilizer. I admit that it is not popular. In that regard I absolutely insist that the first second language any cross cultural worker learns is biblical Greek. I am dyslexic (you may have noticed that I leave obvious incorrect words, I cant really detect typos). It probably took me three times as much time and effort to achieve the competency in Greek that a non nurodivegant person would need. The fact is that you only have two options in regards to the scriptures. You can learn Greek and study them directly or you will only ever be able to study what others have written about the scriptures. Every translation is an interpretation and highly imperfect./p>p>The real problem is that the stated goal of the translation is to sell the most Bibles . Its a popularity contest and the concept of accuracy is completely neglected. Just a few generations ago you had to learn Greek if you went to college. Translators would never even try to take some of the libertys that are taken in the novel translations because tons of people many probably not even Christians would call them out on it./p>p>Im saying all this to say it is definitely worth the effort to learn to read Greek. I also am an unflinching proponent of studying the Septuagint. Its absolutely the Bible that the early church used and influenced the New testament more than any other writing. Im not Lutheran I have a problem with Luthers wanting to reject scriptures for his theology (he had problems with James, Hebrews and the Septuagint). I guess that brings me back to where this started. Dont ditch scriptures that challenge your theology. /p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-605>span classsys-action-counter-label bx-vote-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-vote-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon far thumbs-up >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-vote-counter-text ml-1.5>1/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts605 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts605 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:605,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts605,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-605,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-605,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-605},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1347>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>10239/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1347 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1347 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1347,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1347,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1347,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1347,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1347}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1347}, {content_id:1347, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1344 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1344>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten onclick titleTodd Buiten> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>T/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleTodd Buiten>div classtruncate>Todd Buiten/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/hi-billy-your-point-that-quot-we-english>time datetime2024-07-06T18:23:01+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-06T18:23:01+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1s7smal?sysbx_forum&cmt_id289>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/authorship-of-the-pastoral-epistles>Authorship of the pastoral epistles/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Hi Billy. Your point that we English speakers are use to a syntax controlled language is just one reason that the English language can be terrible for understanding the Bible. Take, for example, the translation of John 3:16 from the KJV... For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Large number of Christians will cite this as a proof text for the free will of people to chose their salvation, despite many passages throughout Scripture that seem to contradict that position, But I get why people would say this, because the translation uses whosoever believeth in an active voice. It is therefore my belief that saves me. But if you read the Interlinear Bible (everyone believing in Him) or the Youngs Literal Translation (every one who is believing in him), youll find a passive voice which allows for God to be the primary actor in salvation and not the individual. Modern English language translations have many such problems which set up Scripture to contradict itself, leaving the Christian to pick and chose which passages they will keep and which they will discard. I find it sad that in their zeal to make the Bible more readable, modern translators use devices like word order revisions or dynamic equivalence to help them to achieve their goals. I often use the YLT or Interlinear Bible when reading Scripture so that I can consider what God Himself is saying (to the degree that that is possible) rather than what the translator thought that God has said/p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-604>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts604 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts604 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:604,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts604,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-604,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-604,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-604},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1344>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>10144/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1344 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1344 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1344,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1344,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1344,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1344,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1344}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1344}, {content_id:1344, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1343 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_forum added bx-tl-aml-moderator> a nametimeline-event-1343>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/librarian onclick titleLibrarian> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/f4rleriiwb5rk22bu6xqrjf2gewyuh75.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/librarian classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleLibrarian>div classtruncate>Librarian/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/the-original-context-of-the-church>time datetime2024-07-04T15:24:50+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-07-04T15:24:50+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Discussion. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/the-original-context-of-the-church classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleThe original context of the church>The original context of the church/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>If a guy in a blue shirt motions for you to come toward him, you might dismiss it. But if there is a shiney silver badge on the front of the shirt, you might want to go along./p>p>And? Context is everything. In the early church, unlike our own age, the senior men and women were VIPs. So important was their welfare - if anyone neglected them, they were worse than an infidel and had departed from the faith. When the letters and gospels were read in the early church and the word em>elder /em>came up, there was already thousands of years of context in play. So, no introduction was needed./p>p>This is why Paul exhorted Timothy to let nobody despise his youth. Timothy was around 40 at the time. But you get the context: Youth meant inexperience and ignorance in the ancient world./p>p>Likewise when we read of elders being ordained in every city, the context is that elders already existed and were to be appointed to the only task they could be appointed to, i.e. oversight among the saints./p>p>Keep your eyes out for a new essay to be republished here in the next few days. It handily refutes the concept of office of elder. As hundreds of years of church tradition fly out the window... away into the wind./p>p>Every senior Christian man is ordained to be a shepherd or overseer. The only and temporary exception is the recent convert who will eventually and non-professionally fulfill this needed role. If you believe that it is un-needed or if there are already enough caring pastors, then I recommend you get out and walk around your neighborhood or city. Trouble is everywhere!/p>p>The elders AMONG YOU, voluntarily be my shepherds, without regard to being paid... LIKEWISE YOU YOUNGER... 1 Peter, chapter 5. The context here regarding pastors is unmistakably AGE RELATED. 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This is private content."); titleAdministrator> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(231, 68, 30, 1)>A/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/administrator classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleAdministrator>div classtruncate>Administrator/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/hey-dear-billy-you-can-always-go-back-and>time datetime2024-06-30T22:59:26+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-30T22:59:26+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1s7smal?sysbx_forum&cmt_id288>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/authorship-of-the-pastoral-epistles>Authorship of the pastoral epistles/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Hey dear Billy. You can always go back and edit your posts at a later time. Of course, you must be logged in to see the edit option./p>p>Circular reasoning seems to come into play with regard to the authenticity of the letters to Timothy and Titus. Scholars, so called, pretend to have found official church hierarchy in these letters thereby making them suspect. This hierarchy however is overblown and even non-existent./p>p>Interestingly, in one version of the English bible, the word OFFICE was inserted 7 times. Such language creates an exaggerated form of the leadership roles in the minds of the modern scholars./p>p>An even weaker argument against the Pastorals is the alleged vocabulary discrepancy. Of course the word usage is different in a letter to an individual compared to one written to an entire church./p>p>The person, btw, named Timothy writing above no longer participates on this site. And if you will notice from the em>About/em> page, linked at the bottom, our commitment here to the God-breathed Scriptures is the baseline from which we desire to work from./p>p>Yes, there are many minor textual variants but they do not change any basic doctrine. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1341 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1341>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/hi-dear-ann-good-to-hear-from-you-yes>time datetime2024-06-26T15:58:09+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-26T15:58:09+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/cxewc1?sysbx_forum&cmt_id287>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/775-members-here>775 Members here/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Hi dear Ann, good to hear from YOU. Yes, He MUST reign!/p>blockquote>strong>1 Cor. 15:25/strong> For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet./blockquote>p>We of course want to see many of his enemies become his friends. /p>p>Never forget this scene from long ago... Its a picture of things to come./p>blockquote>strong>Josh. 10:24/strong> And it came to pass, when they brought out those kings unto Joshua, that Joshua called for all the men of Israel, and said unto the captains of the men of war which went with him, Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings. 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{id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1341}, {content_id:1341, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1340 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1340>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/ann-7329 onclick titleAnn> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(218, 128, 0, 1)>A/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/ann-7329 classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleAnn>div classtruncate>Ann/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/yes-for-sure-these-are-very-uncertain>time datetime2024-06-24T20:06:44+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-24T20:06:44+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/cxewc1?sysbx_forum&cmt_id286>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/775-members-here>775 Members here/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Yes, for sure, these are very uncertain times, but thankfully, we know Who will be 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>/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>11571/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1340 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1340 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1340,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1340,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1340,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1340,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1340}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1340}, {content_id:1340, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1339 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1339>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/ann-7329 onclick titleAnn> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(218, 128, 0, 1)>A/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/ann-7329 classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleAnn>div classtruncate>Ann/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/-todd-buiten-i-am-so-very-sorry-to>time datetime2024-06-24T19:06:20+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-24T19:06:20+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/fr3sb1?sysbx_forum&cmt_id285>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/it-took-25-years-to-find-it>It took 25 years to find it.../a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten titleTodd Buiten dchar@ data-profile-id1147 classbx-mention-link bx-link>span contenteditablefalse>@Todd Buiten/span>/a>, I am so very sorry to learn about your amputation. I will pray for you and your wife and my heart goes out to you both. /p>p>And, what you said about sharing the Gospel in collaboration with ministering to the poor is very true because although we are still in this world, we understand that the spiritual realm is the most important. /p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-600>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts600 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts600 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:600,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts600,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-600,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-600,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-600},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1339>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>11567/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1339 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1339 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1339,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1339,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1339,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1339,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1339}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1339}, {content_id:1339, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1338 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1338>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/ann-7329 onclick titleAnn> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(218, 128, 0, 1)>A/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/ann-7329 classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleAnn>div classtruncate>Ann/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/many-people-send-their-parents-or-other>time datetime2024-06-24T17:30:19+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-24T17:30:19+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/4xr4t?sysbx_posts&cmt_id161>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-post/closeness-of-the-church>Closeness of the church/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Many people send their parents or other family members to nursing homes because the distancing from our families begins at a very early age due to many of us are put into daycare and a school system, therefore because most of our time is spent with strangers, its the strangers and their systems that mold and shape us instead of the Scriptures. And, of course, it also makes it more difficult to have the accountability and spiritual intimacy that the Scriptures command us to have. /p>p>The scriptures will protect us and guide us because He is the Word made flesh. If we put as much time or more time into learning His Word, (Deut. 6:7), than other things, then wed have a lot less problems, but just like in the Garden, we oftentimes think that we know better than He does, so we need to stay in the Word & prayer, (1 Thes. 5:15-28). Comparing Scripture to Scripture within its context is absolutely key. Life will never be trial-free, but God sure will reveal Himself to us in a deeper way if we eat His body & drink His blood, (John 6:54-58). I interpret this to mean that He should be the constant air that we breath, our lifes force, He is our life.... 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1337 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1337>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/ann-7329 onclick titleAnn> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(218, 128, 0, 1)>A/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/ann-7329 classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleAnn>div classtruncate>Ann/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/man-looks-at-the-outward-appearance-but>time datetime2024-06-24T16:47:40+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-24T16:47:40+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1d8syrg?sysbx_forum&cmt_id284>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/beware-of-predators>Beware of Predators/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart. /p>p>sup> /sup>But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart. 1 Samuel 16:7/p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-598>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts598 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts598 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:598,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts598,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-598,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-598,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-598},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1337>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>11458/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1337 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1337 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1337,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1337,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1337,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1337,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1337}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1337}, {content_id:1337, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1336 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1336>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy onclick titleBilly> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(186, 188, 0, 1)>B/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleBilly>div classtruncate>Billy/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/sorry-hit-the-wrong-button-there-as-i-was>time datetime2024-06-24T13:13:38+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-24T13:13:38+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1s7smal?sysbx_forum&cmt_id283>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/authorship-of-the-pastoral-epistles>Authorship of the pastoral epistles/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Sorry hit the wrong button there. As I was saying μαθητής literally means learner English confuses this the verb form of disciple is discipline which is completely different from the verb form of learners which is learn. If the issues in the scriptures were simple we would not need to be disciples in the biblical sense we could be followers or even devotees but the great commission is to make disciples. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1335 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1335>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy onclick titleBilly> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(186, 188, 0, 1)>B/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleBilly>div classtruncate>Billy/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/i-have-to-disagree-with-the-popular>time datetime2024-06-24T13:04:08+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-24T13:04:08+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1s7smal?sysbx_forum&cmt_id282>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/authorship-of-the-pastoral-epistles>Authorship of the pastoral epistles/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>I have to disagree with the popular assumption that the pastoral Epistles are not authentic. Im far from being the best Greek scholar but I do study the NT and Septuagint in Greek for a few hours every day and have been doing it for years. I also have a degree in culture anthropology and sociology and have studied comparative linguistics. The emphasis on word order used to support the argument that the pastoral letters are forgeries doesnt work at all in Greek. We English speakers are use to a syntax controlled language. Basically we understand the parts of speech by the order that the words are presented to us and we have our own way of understanding the significance of a position of a word in a list which doesnt corralat at all with NT Greek. I will defer to the opinion of the extremely well studied scholars Keaner and Fee. Both agreed that by the principals used to discredit the authenticity of the pastoral letters much of what they have written would definitely not be expected as authentic. Think about this for a minute. Im a retired EMT and a Habilitation plan coordinator (I had oversight on a multidisciplinary team and was responsible to document every aspect of clinical care). I have written hundreds of technical documents and EMS run reports non of which resemble this writing. By the standards that are used to disqualify the pastorale letters this cant possibly be me writing this because it doesnt resemble the vast majority of my writing which is extremely technical and specific to the situation I was addressing. The scriptures are what they are and we have to deal with that. Luther (Im certainly not a Lutheran) wanted to get rid of lots of the scriptures that did not fit his theology and he rearranged his Bible to deliberately discount the importance of scriptures he disagreed with. I believe strongly that thats wrong. The pastoral letters were always assumed to be authentic until a few hundred years ago and as I stated the reasoning to question them is flawed in my opinion. Having said all that theres definitely room to decide what aspects of the very specific instructions to Timothy and Titus are to be interpreted as absolutely normative for the whole church in all times. Part of the problem with understanding any epistle is that it is like listing in on half of a phone call. We only hear the answer and have to guess as to what the original issue was that was being addressed. There were definitely radical issues in play in the specific regions that have profound implications for biblical egalitarianism and church politely. One can certainly question wether the leadership structure and the restriction placed on women were specific to that time and place or were intended to be normative in the church for all times and places (any in-depth study of the NT definitely would cause any impartial student to see that there is a lot of diversity in the types of leadership and the roles of women in the rest of the NT). Im always amused by the fact that many modern Christians have a need to say that understanding the scriptures is simple. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1333 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1333>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy onclick titleBilly> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(186, 188, 0, 1)>B/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/billy classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleBilly>div classtruncate>Billy/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/i-embrace-the-ancient-creeds-and-the>time datetime2024-06-23T12:03:05+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-23T12:03:05+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/ep6rvo?sysbx_forum&cmt_id281>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/how-did-we-get-from-the-sermon-on-the>How did we get from the Sermon on the Mount to the Nicene Creed?/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>I embrace the ancient creeds and the scriptures as a disciple of Jesus. I am probably not as focused on the simplicity of discipleship as is popular today. Discipleship was comparable to the modern concept of graduate school. It was the institution at the time of Jesus that dealt with training in the most complex roles in society. Jesus did describe in detail in his teaching important ways that his disciples would be unique but he did not change the nature of the institution. The simplest way to understand the scriptures and creeds is to LOOK AT THE Scriptures and the creeds through the lens of what Jesus taught and from the perspective of being filled (continually and increasingly) with the Holy Spirit. This is what the expectation is for a disciple. When the New Testament was being developed the culture was an oral culture. This means that most of the people that it was intended to reach could not read,thus Pauls emphasis on public reading of his letters and scripture (Septuagint). This doesnt mean that the people were ignorant. Oral cultures are quite remarkable in the abilities that the people develop in passing down stories and teaching accurately. Jesuss style of teaching and use of parables was extremely learnable to these people. The early disciples were completely immersed in the teaching of our Lord Jesus first and foremost. They looked at the rest of the scriptures and creeds through the lens of what Jesus taught. Today in the western church this has been subtilty turned around and most Protestants actually tend to try to understand the teachings of Jesus through the writings of Paul. Think about it we use the Roman Road to start off new believers not the teachings of Jesus on counting the cost or hearing his voice as his sheep. This is a difficult time for many to understand this. I came to the Lord as a Jesus Freek we understood that the teachings of Jesus were radical and counterculture. Today there is a strong temptation to take part in the culture war. You cant fight the culture war and embrace the counterculture teachings of Jesus. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1332 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_forum added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1332>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/beware-of-predators>time datetime2024-06-22T13:57:22+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-22T13:57:22+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Discussion. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/beware-of-predators classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleBeware of Predators>Beware of Predators/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>img srchttps://housechurch.org/image_transcoder.php?osys_images_editor&h42&dpx2&t1719064436 styledisplay: block; margin: auto;>/p>p>We regret to see another once-respected, so-called church leader hurt others and to embarrass himself upon the worlds stage. /p>p>Across the internet, well be reading many comments in sympathy with him and his victims. And the sad church which he was involved./p>p>There is however another party who is seldom mentioned. That party is the Almighty God. As you can see, He is also quite concerned about his own reputational damage. In fact, one of his names is: Jealous./p>blockquote>2 Sam. 12:14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme - the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die./blockquote>p>I am posting this photo as a reminder not to judge by appearance. 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This is private content."); titleAdministrator> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(231, 68, 30, 1)>A/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/administrator classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleAdministrator>div classtruncate>Administrator/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/775-members-here>time datetime2024-06-21T14:58:25+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-21T14:58:25+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Discussion. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/775-members-here classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src title775 Members here>775 Members here/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Hello all, just to let you know that this informal, non-profit network of Christians now has 775 members since we changed to the new site format. We dont pay much attention to the numbers but rather getting the truth out. /p>p>Wow, most are here to learn from others and never post. So, you with experience or knowledge, please step forward. :)/p>p>To view the latest members, just scroll to the bottom of the home page. Of course, there are those who join but have yet to create a profile./p>p>These are uncertain times. Please consider your role in the days ahead. You are a servant (deacon) of the Most High and appointed to serve others in his Name. Pray to the Almighty for wisdom and strength. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1329 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1329>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/thank-you-dear-sister-for-the-exciting>time datetime2024-06-16T16:48:26+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-16T16:48:26+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/4xr4t?sysbx_posts&cmt_id160>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-post/closeness-of-the-church>Closeness of the church/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Thank you, dear sister for the exciting report regarding your meeting. And for your analysis concerning several topics. And thank your joining in the ongoing discussions!/p>p>Yes, the Western brand of individualism prohibits the outworking of family principles and fellowship with the body of Christ. In fact, its the opposite of the mutual love we we must show to the saints and to the world beyond the church./p>p>Jesus came not to be served but to serve. And to give his life a ransom for many./p>p>Somehow, we must identify this problem and turn it around for Gods glory and for the good of mankind. But how? Only by the Spirit of God. Because this generation is defined by three words: Me, my, and mine./p>p>Btw, Ive noticed that most Asian people would never send their parents away to a nursing home, whether here or in the native land./p>p>I recently heard about two Hispanic brothers who donated large sums of money so that their sister could receive higher education. Wow!/p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-594>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts594 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts594 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:594,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts594,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-594,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-594,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-594},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1329>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>12726/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1329 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1329 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1329,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1329,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1329,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1329,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1329}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1329}, {content_id:1329, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1327 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_videos added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1327>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/the-real-quot-lord-s-supper-quot>time datetime2024-06-11T12:57:12+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-06-11T12:57:12+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Video. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix> div classbx-tl-item-videos bx-tl-iv-main bx-tl-iv-single mx-1 mt-2 rounded> div classbx-tl-item-video rounded> script> $(document).ready(function () { if (bx_is_selector_in_stylesheet(.plyr)) { glBxPlyr130068126 new Plyr(#BxPlyr318369294, {quality:{default:480},displayDuration:false,controls:play-large,play,progress,current-time,mute,volume,captions,settings,pip,airplay,fullscreen,settings:captions,quality,speed,loop,ratio:16:9}); 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Most of these saints are part of other churches but their home meetings are completely independent./p>p>I was surprised that their attention span greatly exceeds what I was used to. The meetings go on for 3-4 hours. I was also amused by the large quantities of food they enjoyed./p>p>Anyway, I sometimes wonder if fellowship meals such as this better represent the true meaning of what has become the modern Lords Supper. This is a real meal where hunger and thirst are truly relieved and the body strengthened. /p>p>The Corinthian church had problems in this area but the solution set forth by the apostle was not to reduce their supper to a ceremonial micro-meal./p>p>In the same letter he wrote: Whether therefore you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it with God in mind./p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-bx-videos-122>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteBxVideos122 undefined) var oVoteBxVideos122 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:bx_videos,iObjId:122,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteBxVideos122,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-bx-videos-122,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-bx-videos-122,main:bx-vote-likes-bx-videos-122},sSocket:bx_videos_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-videos-122>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>14203/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxVideos122 undefined) var oViewBxVideos122 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxVideos122,sSystem:bx_videos,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:122,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-videos-122,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-videos-122,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-videos-122}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1327}, {content_id:1327, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1324 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1324>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten onclick titleTodd Buiten> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>T/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleTodd Buiten>div classtruncate>Todd Buiten/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/hi-nina-welcome-to-the-conversation-it-s>time datetime2024-05-31T06:52:40+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-05-31T06:52:40+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/14kiz8s?sysbx_forum&cmt_id280>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/husband-leaves-town-house-church-flourishes>Husband leaves town - house church flourishes/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Hi Nina, welcome to the conversation! Its always good to hear from those who, like us, worship Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Please dont let the fact that you are new prevent your from joining in or starting a new thread. If you have something that you want to say but arent sure that its relevant to someone elses post, just click the plus sign (+) in the upper right corner of the page and click Discussion in the dropdown. Give your new discussion thread a topic and select a category, then write whats on your mind. Please keep in mind that the subject matter that you post should be relevant to the Christian faith and for the edification of Gods people. We look forward to your comments and questions. Lord willing, well find fellowship together as the Body of Christ/p>p>As for your comments about the Lords Supper (Communion), I personally feel like this is perhaps the biggest struggle and failing of the church today. Our inability to take this simple act seriously highlights the depth of our sin. Scripture commands us to be unified (e.g. 1 Corinthians 1:10), but more often the Lords Supper is used as a weapon against other Christians rather than a uniting moment. My experience is that the vast number of institutional churches (Protestants, Catholic, and Orthodox alike - the church on the corner) place requirements on their fellow believers before they are welcome at Communion. In some churches, this means that you are a card-carrying member of their church or denomination, or perhaps a member of another approved denomination. Its not uncommon for the most conservative of churches to require that you have been catechized by their leaders, or that you at least present yourself to their elders prior to partaking. Rare is the church that welcomes all believers according to the words of 1 Cor 11:28, Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. Nowhere in Scripture am I able to find the idea of a screening committee to approve of our fellow believer prior to joining the assembly in worship of Christ at the Lords Table. Gods grace demands that we allow any penitent sinner to approach God before His people for restoration. After all, isnt that the whole point of Communion?/p>p>My prayer for you is that you find the resources that you are looking for at your home in Florida. There are some resources available to help you look if you need them, though depending on where you live you may have some difficulty finding like-minded believers. I would encourage you to look, however, and return to forums like this where you can be nourished in your relationship with God in Christ. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1320 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_forum added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1320>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/tommy-harris onclick titleTommy Harris> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/xvksauyv9g9qganq5j6iyxxsa7btebyr.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/tommy-harris classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleTommy Harris>div classtruncate>Tommy Harris/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/christ-living-in-me>time datetime2024-05-28T17:30:10+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-05-28T17:30:10+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Discussion. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/christ-living-in-me classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleChrist living in me?>Christ living in me?/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Can anyone think of a song or hymn ending in Christ living in me? A very cool song. /p>p>These words are not exact otherwise I could locate it. We sang it growing up. 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titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1319 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1319>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten onclick titleTodd Buiten> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>T/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleTodd Buiten>div classtruncate>Todd Buiten/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/this-is-a-great-summary-and-easy-to>time datetime2024-05-24T19:14:17+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-05-24T19:14:17+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/1cwjeel?sysbx_forum&cmt_id277>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/church-history-in-one-paragraph>Church History in One Paragraph/a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>This is a great summary and easy to remember. I couldnt agree with this more./p>p>One of the things that I love about meeting with Gods assembled people is the sense that there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for we are all one in Christ Jesus (Gal 3:28). Whether Im sitting in a church pew or posting online, when Im among the body of believers then Im just plain old Todd. Im not a manager for my company, or the breadwinner of my family, or an investor in the stock market, or a responsible citizen of my community. All of those things are set aside in deference to worshiping our Lord and Savior. And then these words from Matt 6:31-33 take root.../p>blockquote>strong>31 /strong>Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ strong>32 /strong>For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. strong>33 /strong>But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you./blockquote>p>Although I am still relatively new to the Christian life outside of the institutional church, I find a new freedom in my new environment. But the freedom isnt freedom strong>*FROM*/strong> the church, but rather freedom strong>*TO*/strong> believe as God reveals Himself in the Bible. I find it interesting that when you reject denominationalism on the grounds that it divides the church, its defenders will most certainly cry out, how then do we control against heresy from entering the church? My belief is that the heresy has already entered the church in the form of church control. Scripture cant be more clear about the importance of unity between ALL believers, not just those who belong to a particular church or denomination. There is a great lack of trust that these Christians have in Gods ability to preserve His church. Im not suggesting that teaching and discipleship are not important. They are. What Im saying is that as soon as you start believing that YOUR ACTIONS are what keeps the church pure then youve missed a key point of the Christian faith. It is God who reveals. It is God who preserves. It is God who guides our hearts. He is active in our faith./p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-589>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts589 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts589 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:589,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts589,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-589,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-589,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-589},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1319>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>16771/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1319 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1319 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1319,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1319,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1319,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1319,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1319}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1319}, {content_id:1319, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1316 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_forum added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1316>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson onclick titleDavid Anderson> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/uwjd5uckbcwht42nypmzubgwguap5udp.jpg /> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/david-anderson classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDavid Anderson>div classtruncate>David Anderson/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/church-history-in-one-paragraph>time datetime2024-05-18T14:52:05+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-05-18T14:52:05+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Discussion. /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/church-history-in-one-paragraph classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleChurch History in One Paragraph>Church History in One Paragraph/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>strong>“In the beginning the church was a fellowship of men and women centering on the living Christ. Then the church moved to Greece, where it became a philosophy. Then it moved to Rome, where it became an institution. Next, it moved to Europe, where it became a culture. And, finally, it moved to America, where it became an enterprise.”/strong>/p>p>— Richard Halverson, former Chaplain of the United States Senate/p>p>Or limiting the summary of Church history to a single sentence, oversimplified of course:/p>p>strong>Christianity, originally a brotherhood of co-equals, became a hierarchy and has yet to fully recover./strong>/p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-bx-forum-188>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteBxForum188 undefined) var oVoteBxForum188 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:bx_forum,iObjId:188,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteBxForum188,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-bx-forum-188,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-bx-forum-188,main:bx-vote-likes-bx-forum-188},sSocket:bx_forum_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-forum-188>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>17947/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxForum188 undefined) var oViewBxForum188 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxForum188,sSystem:bx_forum,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:188,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-forum-188,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-forum-188,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-forum-188}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1316}, {content_id:1316, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1315 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1315>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten onclick titleTodd Buiten> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>T/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleTodd Buiten>div classtruncate>Todd Buiten/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/thank-you-david-for-your-concern-for-my>time datetime2024-05-10T15:11:46+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-05-10T15:11:46+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/fr3sb1?sysbx_forum&cmt_id276>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/it-took-25-years-to-find-it>It took 25 years to find it.../a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Thank you, David, for your concern for my condition. I cant tell you how much it means to me that I have heard from so many good friends like yourself these last few months, all wanting to help out where they can. God has been gracious beyond measure throughout my life, and especially more so now with these new challenges that I face with my family. I am grateful to have a loving wife who makes my meals and takes me to innumerable doctors appointments. Her care and patience are truly inspiring. And so far as any financial needs are concerned, those have all been covered by insurance through my work, so we have no outstanding expenses. There once was a time quite long ago when this wasnt the case, so I know firsthand how much such kindness can mean in difficult times. If anyone wants to help, I would ask this favor... if you or a loved one has not had a routine physical exam recently then please go see a doctor as soon as you are able. Had I done the same, I would have learned that I have diabetes which could have been corrected prior to my infection getting out of control./p>p>I am so grateful to God for His provision in my life. That includes this community. Despite what happens in this life, we are completely lost without our loving Savior, Jesus Christ. 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This is private content."); titleAdministrator> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(231, 68, 30, 1)>A/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/administrator classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleAdministrator>div classtruncate>Administrator/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/hello-dear-brother-thank-you-for-the>time datetime2024-05-09T15:53:48+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-05-09T15:53:48+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/fr3sb1?sysbx_forum&cmt_id275>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/it-took-25-years-to-find-it>It took 25 years to find it.../a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Hello dear brother. Thank you for the encouraging words wide and experience - especially amidst your own difficulties. Obviously your faith is strong, as is your reliance upon the Almighty./p>p>Sadly, many become bitter or even angry with God when something like this occurs./p>p>Your new and ongoing situation will require major adjustments. Everyone, please lift up our brother and his loved ones in your daily prayers. /p>p>Todd, will you contact me privately on this site? Please provide me with your PayPal or Amazon address. Ill act as a go-between for those desiring to help, rather than share your personal information online./p>p>David Anderson, serving as Administrator./p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-587>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts587 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts587 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:587,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts587,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-587,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-587,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-587},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1314>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>18618/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1314 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1314 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1314,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1314,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1314,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1314,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1314}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1314}, {content_id:1314, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1312 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer comment added bx-tl-aml-standard> a nametimeline-event-1312>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten onclick titleTodd Buiten> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>T/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/todd-buiten classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleTodd Buiten>div classtruncate>Todd Buiten/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/i-find-that-there-s-a-real-balance-to-be>time datetime2024-05-04T05:52:52+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-05-04T05:52:52+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/cmts-view/fr3sb1?sysbx_forum&cmt_id274>a comment/a> to a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-discussion/it-took-25-years-to-find-it>It took 25 years to find it.../a> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>I find that theres a real balance to be struck that your average Christian does not understand, which is really too bad since Scripture cries out that we seek it. Jesus came first and foremost to heal us spiritually, but in the same way God does not leave us to fend for ourselves physically. Matt 6:25-32 tells us not to be anxious about anything because God loves us more than the birds of the air and lilies of the field, yet ends with with verse 33 which is near and dear to many of us here... But seek first the reign of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. Both the spiritual and physical are important to God/p>p>While I agree with the author about churches obsessing on the mechanics of church, I would disagree with the statement that, em>It was largely about spiritual salvation and growth, praying for people, and religious codes of conduct. /em>As I have lamented previously on this website, what many might call spiritual salvation and growth is much more cultural in nature than it is Christian. There is a set of standards and behaviors that Christians are expected to adhere to, which look frighteningly similar to Western cultural values. Ive often struggled to find Christians who want to talk about sin and salvation, which is core to our Christian faith. I guess that Ive never been one to believe that obsessing over making the worship service perfect was a great use of time/p>p>Yet I also have to wonder about churches that take the opposite approach and dedicate themselves to only providing for the physical needs of the community in which they live. Here where I live near Seattle, churches are big into taking care of the homeless, sometimes to the exclusion of all else. It would be difficult from a spiritual perspective to call them churches as they focus on very little in Scripture other than Christs command to feed the poor/p>p>Where I think the lack of balance comes into play in this whole equation is in our collective lack of understanding that our physical infirmities can be directly tied to the Fall of Man in the Garden of Eden. I recently spent 16 days in the hospital in which I had my right foot amputated due to a severe foot infection. Nothing could have made a better statement to me of the effects of sin than those two weeks. Its not as though God was punishing me for specific sins as some might believe. But I couldnt escape the fact that we all live in a fallen world, and that only by the grace of God that any of us has hope for the future. An eternal future full of the grace of our beloved Savior/p>p>I guess my point is that there is a middle ground in all of this. To focus solely on the spiritual is to miss the point of Gods daily mercies in our everyday existences. Watching a limb rot away before your eyes as I recently did is a sobering reminder of the fragility of our lives here on Earth. We need God to survive. But to say that all of the ills that we face will be somehow cured with a clean pair of socks and a hot meal is to miss the point as well. As the human race, we are where we are today because of sin, and to help someone in need without sharing the hope that God has placed in us for the future is missing the point when it comes to the Christian life/p> div classbx-tl-content-overflow bx-def-color-bg-box-overflow absolute bottom-0 w-full h-1/5>/div> /div> /div>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-tl-ia-counters bx-def-margin-leftright bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-counters classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_counters flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-vote flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-vote-counter bx-vote-counter-likes idbx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-586>span classsys-action-counter-label bx-vote-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-vote-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon far thumbs-up >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-vote-counter-text ml-1.5>1/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoVoteSysCmts586 undefined) var oVoteSysCmts586 new BxDolVoteLikes({sSystem:sys_cmts,iObjId:586,iAuthorId:0,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sObjName:oVoteSysCmts586,sStylePrefix:bx-vote,aHtmlIds:{counter:bx-vote-counter-sys-cmts-586,by_popup:bx-vote-by-popup-sys-cmts-586,main:bx-vote-likes-sys-cmts-586},sSocket:sys_cmts_likes,aRequestParams:{use_icon_as:icon,show_do_vote_as_button:0,show_do_vote_as_button_small:0,show_do_vote_icon:1,show_do_vote_label:1,show_counter:1,show_counter_only:1,show_counter_empty:0,show_counter_label_icon:1,show_counter_label_text:1,show_legend:0,show_script:1}});/script>/li> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-view flex> span classsys-action-counter sys-ac-only bx-view-counter idbx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1312>span classbx-view-counter-label flex items-center text-sm font-normal p-1> span classsys-action-counter-icon bx-view-counter-icon relative flex items-center justify-center ring-1 h-6 w-6 ring-white dark:ring-gray-700 h-6 w-6 bg-gray-200 dark:bg-gray-700 rounded-full>i classsys-icon eye >/i>/span> span classsys-action-counter-text bx-view-counter-text ml-1.5>19347/span> /span>/span>script languagejavascript>if(windowoViewBxTimeline1312 undefined) var oViewBxTimeline1312 new BxDolView({sObjName:oViewBxTimeline1312,sSystem:bx_timeline,iAuthorId:0,iObjId:1312,sRootUrl:https:\/\/housechurch.org\/,sStylePrefix:bx-view,aHtmlIds:{main:bx-view-bx-timeline-1312,counter:bx-view-counter-bx-timeline-1312,by_popup:bx-view-by-popup-bx-timeline-1312}});/script>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity-divider bx-def-hr bx-def-margin-top>/div> div classbx-tl-item-activity bx-def-margin-leftright bx-def-margin-top bx-clearfix>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-actions classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_actions flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-item-share flex>span class bx-def-margin-thd-topbottom> a classbx-menu-item-link hrefjavascript:void(0) onclickbx_menu_popup(bx_timeline_menu_item_share, this, {id:bx_timeline_menu_item_share_1312}, {content_id:1312, name:, view:outline, type:public}); titleShare>span classbx-def-valign-center> span classbx-menu-item-icon bx-def-align-center>i classsys-icon share-alt>/i>/span> span classbx-menu-item-title bx-def-margin-sec-left-auto>Share/span>/span>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/div> div classbx-tl-item-comments-holder bx-def-margin-leftright>/div> /div> /div>/div>div idbx-timeline-item-outline-public-1310 classbx-tl-item bx-tl-grid-item-sizer bx_posts added bx-tl-aml-name-1702238636> a nametimeline-event-1310>/a> div classbx-tl-item-ind bx-def-padding-sec> div classbx-tl-item-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-padding-topbottom bx-def-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box> div classbx-tl-blink-plate>/div> div classbx-tl-item-owner relative flex items-center mx-4 bx-tl-io-with-actions> div classbx-tl-owner-avatar bx-def-thumb-size flex-shrink-0>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-wo-info bx-cover-empty bx-def-thumb-size > div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-thumb-size relative> a classbx-def-font-align-center hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/dan-beaty onclick titleDan Beaty> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-thumb bx-def-thumb-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>D/p> /a> /div>/div>/div> div classbx-tl-owner-info bx-def-thumb-size-min-height flex-auto flex flex-col items-start justify-center min-w-0 pl-2 lg:pl-4> div classbx-tl-owner-name bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/dan-beaty classbx-tl-owner-name flex items-center min-w-0 titleDan Beaty>div classtruncate>Dan Beaty/div>/a> span classbx-tl-owner-actions> /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-meta bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span classbx-tl-meta>ul idbx-timeline-menu-item-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_timeline_menu_item_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-date flex> span classbx-tl-item-meta-div bx-def-font-grayed> · /span> span classbx-tl-item-meta-item> a classbx-def-font-meta bx-def-a-colored bx-tl-item-meta-date bx-base-text-unit-date hrefhttps://housechurch.org/item/our-father>time datetime2024-04-29T19:20:56+0000 data-bx-formatD MMM YYYY data-bx-autoformat432000 data-bx-utc0>2024-04-29T19:20:56+0000/time>/a> /span>/li> /ul>/span> /div> /div> /div> div classbx-tl-item-action bx-def-margin-lefttopright bx-def-font-middle bx-def-font-grayed> span>Added a Post /span> /div> div classbx-tl-item-content bx-tl-ic-post bx-clearfix>div classbx-tl-item-text mt-3 md:mt-4 mx-3 md:mx-4> div classbx-tl-title mb-2 md:mb-4 text-lg lg:text-xl font-semibold text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-300>a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-post/our-father classbx-tl-title bx-lnk-src titleOur Father>Our Father/a>/div> div classbx-tl-content bx-overflow-ready bx-def-vanilla-html bx-def-vh-sm relative max-w-none> p>Here is a recent arrangement of the Lords Prayer set to music. 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hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/rachel-jacques onclick> div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-ava-size relative> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-ava bx-def-ava-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/ksasj3h8ccy3uberdentlybfnn7f8rvl.jpg /> /div> /a> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-title p-4 box-border text-center truncate> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/rachel-jacques onclick classhover:underline text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-200 hover:text-gray-900 dark:hover:text-white font-semibold>Rachel Jacques/a> /div> span classtext-sm text-gray-500 dark:text-gray-400>/span> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-info> div classbx-base-general-unit-meta flex items-center justify-center px-3 pb-4 box-border>ul idbx-persons-snippet-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_persons_snippet_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-nl flex>/li> /ul>/div> /div> /div>/div>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-with-cover bx-cover-empty p-2 box-border> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-box-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box relative h-full overflow-hidden> div classabsolute z-0 w-full h-40 bg-gradient-to-b from-blue-400 to-blue-500>/div> a classbx-base-pofile-unit-cover relative flex items-center justify-center w-full h-40 bg-no-repeat bg-center bg-cover hover:no-underline stylebackground-image:url(https://housechurch.org/template/images/cover.svg); 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hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/john-2234 onclick> div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-ava-size relative> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-ava bx-def-ava-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(86, 156, 0, 1)>J/p> /div> /a> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-title p-4 box-border text-center truncate> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/john-2234 onclick classhover:underline text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-200 hover:text-gray-900 dark:hover:text-white font-semibold>John/a> /div> span classtext-sm text-gray-500 dark:text-gray-400>/span> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-info> div classbx-base-general-unit-meta flex items-center justify-center px-3 pb-4 box-border>ul idbx-persons-snippet-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_persons_snippet_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-nl flex>/li> /ul>/div> /div> /div>/div>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-with-cover bx-cover-empty p-2 box-border> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-box-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box relative h-full overflow-hidden> div classabsolute z-0 w-full h-40 bg-gradient-to-b from-blue-400 to-blue-500>/div> a classbx-base-pofile-unit-cover relative flex items-center justify-center w-full h-40 bg-no-repeat bg-center bg-cover hover:no-underline stylebackground-image:url(https://housechurch.org/template/images/cover.svg); hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/i-ting-chu onclick> div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-ava-size relative> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-ava bx-def-ava-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(218, 128, 0, 1)>I/p> /div> /a> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-title p-4 box-border text-center truncate> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/i-ting-chu onclick classhover:underline text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-200 hover:text-gray-900 dark:hover:text-white font-semibold>I-Ting Chu/a> /div> span classtext-sm text-gray-500 dark:text-gray-400>/span> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-info> div classbx-base-general-unit-meta flex items-center justify-center px-3 pb-4 box-border>ul idbx-persons-snippet-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_persons_snippet_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-nl flex>/li> /ul>/div> /div> /div>/div>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-with-cover bx-cover-empty p-2 box-border> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-box-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box relative h-full overflow-hidden> div classabsolute z-0 w-full h-40 bg-gradient-to-b from-blue-400 to-blue-500>/div> a classbx-base-pofile-unit-cover relative flex items-center justify-center w-full h-40 bg-no-repeat bg-center bg-cover hover:no-underline stylebackground-image:url(https://housechurch.org/template/images/cover.svg); hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/josh-hanson onclick> div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-ava-size relative> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-ava bx-def-ava-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(207, 60, 25, 1)>J/p> /div> /a> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-title p-4 box-border text-center truncate> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/josh-hanson onclick classhover:underline text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-200 hover:text-gray-900 dark:hover:text-white font-semibold>Josh Hanson/a> /div> span classtext-sm text-gray-500 dark:text-gray-400>/span> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-info> div classbx-base-general-unit-meta flex items-center justify-center px-3 pb-4 box-border>ul idbx-persons-snippet-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_persons_snippet_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-nl flex>/li> /ul>/div> /div> /div>/div>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-with-cover p-2 box-border> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-box-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box relative h-full overflow-hidden> div classabsolute z-0 w-full h-40 bg-gradient-to-b from-blue-400 to-blue-500>/div> a classbx-base-pofile-unit-cover relative flex items-center justify-center w-full h-40 bg-no-repeat bg-center bg-cover hover:no-underline stylebackground-image:url(https://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/gkpybhku8guffudyjyezz4kgjmkbcedg.jpg); hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/mike-tovar onclick> div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-ava-size relative> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-ava bx-def-ava-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(216, 9, 96, 1)>M/p> /div> /a> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-title p-4 box-border text-center truncate> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/mike-tovar onclick classhover:underline text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-200 hover:text-gray-900 dark:hover:text-white font-semibold>Mike Tovar/a> /div> span classtext-sm text-gray-500 dark:text-gray-400>/span> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-info> div classbx-base-general-unit-meta flex items-center justify-center px-3 pb-4 box-border>ul idbx-persons-snippet-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_persons_snippet_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-nl flex>/li> /ul>/div> /div> /div>/div>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-with-cover bx-cover-empty p-2 box-border> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-box-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box relative h-full overflow-hidden> div classabsolute z-0 w-full h-40 bg-gradient-to-b from-blue-400 to-blue-500>/div> a classbx-base-pofile-unit-cover relative flex items-center justify-center w-full h-40 bg-no-repeat bg-center bg-cover hover:no-underline stylebackground-image:url(https://housechurch.org/template/images/cover.svg); hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/hesed onclick> div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-ava-size relative> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-ava bx-def-ava-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/xfpbr7gelfma5dcawrwbc5zjrnx9ykuv.jpg /> /div> /a> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-title p-4 box-border text-center truncate> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/hesed onclick classhover:underline text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-200 hover:text-gray-900 dark:hover:text-white font-semibold>Hesed /a> /div> span classtext-sm text-gray-500 dark:text-gray-400>/span> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-info> div classbx-base-general-unit-meta flex items-center justify-center px-3 pb-4 box-border>ul idbx-persons-snippet-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_persons_snippet_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-nl flex>/li> /ul>/div> /div> /div>/div>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-with-cover bx-cover-empty p-2 box-border> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-box-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box relative h-full overflow-hidden> div classabsolute z-0 w-full h-40 bg-gradient-to-b from-blue-400 to-blue-500>/div> a classbx-base-pofile-unit-cover relative flex items-center justify-center w-full h-40 bg-no-repeat bg-center bg-cover hover:no-underline stylebackground-image:url(https://housechurch.org/template/images/cover.svg); hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/kb-jaeger onclick> div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-ava-size relative> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-ava bx-def-ava-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/ix7pw27hjd8d9nam5kjp5vxeqcdudcdw.jpg /> /div> /a> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-title p-4 box-border text-center truncate> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/kb-jaeger onclick classhover:underline text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-200 hover:text-gray-900 dark:hover:text-white font-semibold>Kb jaeger/a> /div> span classtext-sm text-gray-500 dark:text-gray-400>/span> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-info> div classbx-base-general-unit-meta flex items-center justify-center px-3 pb-4 box-border>ul idbx-persons-snippet-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_persons_snippet_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-nl flex>/li> /ul>/div> /div> /div>/div>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-with-cover bx-cover-empty p-2 box-border> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-box-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box relative h-full overflow-hidden> div classabsolute z-0 w-full h-40 bg-gradient-to-b from-blue-400 to-blue-500>/div> a classbx-base-pofile-unit-cover relative flex items-center justify-center w-full h-40 bg-no-repeat bg-center bg-cover hover:no-underline stylebackground-image:url(https://housechurch.org/template/images/cover.svg); hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/carroll-r-johnson onclick> div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-ava-size relative> img classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-ava bx-def-ava-size rounded-full box-border srchttps://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/2h2bgavlnlzudq3nsirjrudsgubwydpl.jpg /> /div> /a> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-title p-4 box-border text-center truncate> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/carroll-r-johnson onclick classhover:underline text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-200 hover:text-gray-900 dark:hover:text-white font-semibold>Carroll R Johnson/a> /div> span classtext-sm text-gray-500 dark:text-gray-400>/span> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-info> div classbx-base-general-unit-meta flex items-center justify-center px-3 pb-4 box-border>ul idbx-persons-snippet-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_persons_snippet_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-nl flex>/li> /ul>/div> /div> /div>/div>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-with-cover bx-cover-empty p-2 box-border> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-box-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box relative h-full overflow-hidden> div classabsolute z-0 w-full h-40 bg-gradient-to-b from-blue-400 to-blue-500>/div> a classbx-base-pofile-unit-cover relative flex items-center justify-center w-full h-40 bg-no-repeat bg-center bg-cover hover:no-underline stylebackground-image:url(https://housechurch.org/template/images/cover.svg); hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/nate-woodward onclick> div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-ava-size relative> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-ava bx-def-ava-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(48, 116, 36, 1)>N/p> /div> /a> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-title p-4 box-border text-center truncate> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/nate-woodward onclick classhover:underline text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-200 hover:text-gray-900 dark:hover:text-white font-semibold>Nate Woodward /a> /div> span classtext-sm text-gray-500 dark:text-gray-400>/span> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-info> div classbx-base-general-unit-meta flex items-center justify-center px-3 pb-4 box-border>ul idbx-persons-snippet-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_persons_snippet_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-nl flex>/li> /ul>/div> /div> /div>/div>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-with-cover bx-cover-empty p-2 box-border> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-box-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box relative h-full overflow-hidden> div classabsolute z-0 w-full h-40 bg-gradient-to-b from-blue-400 to-blue-500>/div> a classbx-base-pofile-unit-cover relative flex items-center justify-center w-full h-40 bg-no-repeat bg-center bg-cover hover:no-underline stylebackground-image:url(https://housechurch.org/template/images/cover.svg); hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/pat onclick> div classbx-def-unit-img bx-def-ava-size relative> p classbx-base-pofile-unit-thumb bx-def-ava bx-def-ava-size flex items-center justify-center box-border m-0 rounded-full text-white font-bold stylebackground-color:rgba(243, 143, 0, 1)>P/p> /div> /a> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-title p-4 box-border text-center truncate> a hrefhttps://housechurch.org/view-persons-profile/pat onclick classhover:underline text-gray-700 dark:text-gray-200 hover:text-gray-900 dark:hover:text-white font-semibold>Pat/a> /div> span classtext-sm text-gray-500 dark:text-gray-400>/span> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-info> div classbx-base-general-unit-meta flex items-center justify-center px-3 pb-4 box-border>ul idbx-persons-snippet-meta classbx-menu-custom bx-menu-custom-hor bx-menu-hor-inline bx-menu-object-bx_persons_snippet_meta flex justify-start items-start> li classbx-menu-item bx-menu-item-nl flex>/li> /ul>/div> /div> /div>/div>div classbx-base-pofile-unit-with-cover p-2 box-border> div classbx-base-pofile-unit-cnt bx-def-box bx-def-box-round-corners bx-def-color-bg-box relative h-full overflow-hidden> div classabsolute z-0 w-full h-40 bg-gradient-to-b from-blue-400 to-blue-500>/div> a classbx-base-pofile-unit-cover relative flex items-center justify-center w-full h-40 bg-no-repeat bg-center bg-cover hover:no-underline stylebackground-image:url(https://housechurch.org/s/bx_persons_pictures_resized/agh5wswkenwyfzmsaywcvbnptw4wqzvk.png); 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